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By Hammer & Hand
Hello Everyone

This is my first post so please forgive its length. It would be also helpful to know if this should be posted to any other forum.

I hope someone may be able to help (or offer suggestions) in respect of on-going research I am conducting into The Birmingham Guild of Handicraft (later The Birmingham Guild Ltd.).

I intend to write and publish an extensive history of The Guild and to date I have tracked down and visited most of the descendants of those involved with running the Guild over its long history. I have also accessed the records held at the National Art Library, the National Archives, Birmingham Archives, National Newspaper Archives etc. However, there are still a few gaps that I hope to fill. One relates to photographs of the Guild and its various workshops.

It’s probably easiest if I list the various locations and record what images I have (or haven’t) got and hope that someone may have come across photographs of these buildings/locations.

1890 - First Workshops at the old Kyrle Society Hall, Lawrence Street – nothing!

1892 – Second Workshop, 4 ½ Lower Priory – nothing!

1894 – Third workshop, the new Kyrle Hall, Sheep Street (now under Aston University) – I have wood engraved illustrations of the building’s exterior and a few illustrations of the interior workshops plus exterior photographs of the building but sadly no photos of the interior. The building was designed by W H Bidlake.

1898 – Purpose built workshops 45 Great Charles Street – I have exterior photographs and a design drawing of this building and a handful of interior images (all circa 1916) but am keen to find more, especially earlier ones.

1923 to the late 1970s – Grosvenor Street West (the factory of Hart, Son, Peard & Co.) – happily the interior of this factory was extensively photographed over the years but to date I have no image of the exterior which I believe was recently demolished.

The Guild was run for much of the twentieth century by two brothers, Hugh and Llewelyn Roberts and was split into four divisions:

Architectural Metalwork​
Aircraft Components​
Hart Agricultural (muck spreaders, potato elevators and latterly general fabrication)​
Foundry (trading as Hart, Son, Peard & Co.)​

The Roberts family sold out in 1974 to the Smith Brothers (formerly trading as Hill’s Glass) who then took over the company. It would be useful to trace any descendants of the Smith Brothers or people working for the company during its final years to try and find out what happened to the company records and the design drawings. I have been told by someone who worked at the Guild that one of the brothers was called Brian, one was an accountant and one had a child. The family home was apparently Dorridge Manor. In this last incarnation the Guild was making aluminium framed double glazing units and patio doors.

Perhaps someone reading this worked at The Guild or had family members who did and may be prepared to share their memories?

Finally, on a slightly different topic, a photograph of the Birmingham Guild Trade stand at the Midland Counties Building Trades’ Exhibition 1908 is/was in the John Whybrow Collection (it is illustrated in the BMAG ‘By Hammer and Hand’ exhibition catalogue of 1984) - does anyone know what happened to this extensive collection of Birmingham photographs as I would love to locate the original?

Thank you for your time!
 
Hello I think it’s great you’re looking into the history off the Birmingham Guild, I hope you can give me info on this? I brought it several years ago with being told it’s the crest/emblem for the Bank off England, but I’m finding it difficult to research exactly what this was. With your knowledge I’m hoping you can help me please.
Thanks Dave
 

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Hello Dave

Thanks for sharing the photos. I've not come across one of these before but I do know what it is - it's a cast of the logo for the old Midland Bank (now HSBC). It's a painted metal casting, something they specialised in, perhaps in brass or bronze?

It looks to be fairly recent 1960s/70s (?) and would be one of hundreds found inside the various Midland Bank branches nationwide.

Regards

Tony
 
Hello Everyone

This is my first post so please forgive its length. It would be also helpful to know if this should be posted to any other forum.

I hope someone may be able to help (or offer suggestions) in respect of on-going research I am conducting into The Birmingham Guild of Handicraft (later The Birmingham Guild Ltd.).

I intend to write and publish an extensive history of The Guild and to date I have tracked down and visited most of the descendants of those involved with running the Guild over its long history. I have also accessed the records held at the National Art Library, the National Archives, Birmingham Archives, National Newspaper Archives etc. However, there are still a few gaps that I hope to fill. One relates to photographs of the Guild and its various workshops.

It’s probably easiest if I list the various locations and record what images I have (or haven’t) got and hope that someone may have come across photographs of these buildings/locations.

1890 - First Workshops at the old Kyrle Society Hall, Lawrence Street – nothing!

1892 – Second Workshop, 4 ½ Lower Priory – nothing!

1894 – Third workshop, the new Kyrle Hall, Sheep Street (now under Aston University) – I have wood engraved illustrations of the building’s exterior and a few illustrations of the interior workshops plus exterior photographs of the building but sadly no photos of the interior. The building was designed by W H Bidlake.

1898 – Purpose built workshops 45 Great Charles Street – I have exterior photographs and a design drawing of this building and a handful of interior images (all circa 1916) but am keen to find more, especially earlier ones.

1923 to the late 1970s – Grosvenor Street West (the factory of Hart, Son, Peard & Co.) – happily the interior of this factory was extensively photographed over the years but to date I have no image of the exterior which I believe was recently demolished.

The Guild was run for much of the twentieth century by two brothers, Hugh and Llewelyn Roberts and was split into four divisions:

Architectural Metalwork​
Aircraft Components​
Hart Agricultural (muck spreaders, potato elevators and latterly general fabrication)​
Foundry (trading as Hart, Son, Peard & Co.)​

The Roberts family sold out in 1974 to the Smith Brothers (formerly trading as Hill’s Glass) who then took over the company. It would be useful to trace any descendants of the Smith Brothers or people working for the company during its final years to try and find out what happened to the company records and the design drawings. I have been told by someone who worked at the Guild that one of the brothers was called Brian, one was an accountant and one had a child. The family home was apparently Dorridge Manor. In this last incarnation the Guild was making aluminium framed double glazing units and patio doors.

Perhaps someone reading this worked at The Guild or had family members who did and may be prepared to share their memories?

Finally, on a slightly different topic, a photograph of the Birmingham Guild Trade stand at the Midland Counties Building Trades’ Exhibition 1908 is/was in the John Whybrow Collection (it is illustrated in the BMAG ‘By Hammer and Hand’ exhibition catalogue of 1984) - does anyone know what happened to this extensive collection of Birmingham photographs as I would love to locate the original?

Thank you for your time!
Hi Tony I have come across the Birmingham Guild of Handicraft a couple of times in my recent researches, which are centred around the works of Birmingham architects. Are you making progress with your project? I know that the builder John Bowen constructed the Birmingham Kyrle Hall & Workshops for Birmingham Kyrle Society, Sheep Street in 1892. I think that BGH might have started at these premises. The architect was William Bidlake. My interest in BGH relates to Reginald Hugh Roberts (1883-1955), who was a client of the architect William Alexander Harvey (an associate of Bidlake). Could you please give me an overview of Reginald's involvement in BGH. When he married in 1910 he called himself a 'Secretary' of 45 Newhall Street. I would be interested to any images of the Kyrle Hall you are willing to share.
 
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