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Smith Alfred

tresario

tresario

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Just phoned Sandwell and they have looked a couple of years either side of the information I have but it would seem there is nothing coming up. The genealogist is back on Monday so I have to ring then:rolleyes:

All I had was a Death certificate stating my grandfather Alfred Smith died in All Saints Hospital in July 1927 aged 36. Death registered by son in law
Wilfred George Watson 30 Nansen Road. I applied for his marriage certificate and found his wife, my grandads sister, was named Mary Ann Smith and her father was Samuel Smith.(date 22nd Dec 1922 she was 34 and he was 33.)

People have looked up for me and said he was born in smethwick, dad Samuel born Darlaston and his wife Mary Ann born bilston...Now I am not so sure...could there have been a mistake and there is another family with Alfred born 1890/1891 dad Samuel and sister Mary Ann born 1888 I dont know where he was born or anything, only the lookups said smethwick???? Any ideas anybody:crying:

Regards
Bernie
Names I am researching: Smith,Waldron,Mason,Geddes
 
Re: Up the wrong path???....

1901 23 Vicarage road ,Aston Manor

Samuel Smith age 53 born Darlaston Bicycle part stamper
Mary a age 49 b. Bilston
Robert 19
Paul 16
Eliza 14
Mary 12
Alfred 10
Agnes 6
Joseph 5

If you have Mary and Wilfred marriage certificate who were the witnesses,they sometimes had brother or sister as witness and that could give a clue.
 
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Hi Bernie, i was just about to start a thread here for you, luckily i spotted you had already done it.
This looks like the correct family on the 1891 Census, what do you think --


Name:Samuel Smith
Age:45
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1846
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Mary A
Gender:Male
Where born: Darlaston
Civil Parish:Aston
Ecclesiastical parish:St Oswald
Town:Bordesley
County/Island:Warwickshire
Country:England
Street address: 22 Cherrywood Rd
Occupation:
Registration district:Aston
Sub registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel:66

Household Members:NameAge
Samuel Smith45 Darlaston
Mary A Smith39 Bilston
Enoch Smith18 Darlaston
Samuel Smith17 Darlaston
Robert Smith16 Smethwick for others
Paul Smith6
Eliza Smith5
Mary A Smith3
Alfred Smith6/12


bren
 
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Ah, i see Alberta has found the same family in 1901. Going by your info they are the obvious choice but of course being "Smith" there are probably a lot of choices regards birth registration but we will try


bren

What ref was you given for his birth before so that we can disregard that one when looking
 
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Re: Up the wrong path???....

Hello everyone, thanks but these are the family details I submitted..I have this family's details for all their addresses...but Sandwell say its not this one...For some reason... they say they have searched 2 years either side. I submitted copy of death certificate, copy of marriage certificate for Mary ann and Wilfred( the witnesses werent family but friends that Mary had been living with a few streets away.Marian Hood).I also sent the census records from above..
So I dont know where he was from originally or anything else about him, Mary or Samuel.
Any one got any suggestions?
Best Regards
Bernie
 
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Smethwick didn't become a registration district until 1932 from what i can see, so although to them that was the area they lived in it would have had another name for official records such as births. I will have a look on Genuki and see if i can find the most likely district


bren
 
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I have a feeling that at that time they would come under Worcestershire ie Kings Norton or Harborn, I have also just looked at that 1891 census, the age for Robert should have been 10yrs not 16yrs, it was mistranscribed, quite clear on the image --

Here is the 1881 Census for the same family --

Name:Samuel Smith
Age:33
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1848
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Mary Ann
Gender:Male
Where born: Darlaston, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish:Harborne
County/Island:Staffordshire
Country:England
Street address:No 39 Grove Lane
Condition as to marriage:Married
Occupation:Nut Forger
Registration district:Kings Norton
Sub registration district:Harborne
ED, institution, or vessel:13

Household Members:NameAge
Enoch Smith8
John W. Smith3
Mary Ann Smith29
Samuel Smith33
Samuel Smith6

Perhaps births from this distrct would be more fruitful

bren
 
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yes, I originally applied online to Birmingham who told me to apply Sandwell. ...

But it isnt him that is on the smethwick census...they have searched the smiths 2 years either way...so it could be another Alfred Smith with a father Samuel Smith and a sister Mary Ann. The only thing that is definite is the death certificate and Mary Ann's marriage certificate. The family shown above on this thread is not the right one! and I dont have any idea where to start looking..
Regards
Bernie
 
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Birth --

Robert Smith 3rd qtr 1881 King's N 6c 468


bren
 
Re: Up the wrong path???....

The family above is Samuel and Mary Ann Smith ( nee Colley). Their addresses are in 1881 39 grove lane, in 1891 22 Cherrywood Road,1901 23 vicarage Road, and in 1914 14 Craddock Street Saltley...I even have an Army record for Alfred based on this Alfred, but this isnt my Alfred....Well according to Sandwell..
Bernie
 
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Are you saying you tried the King's N birth


Mary Ann Smith 4th qtr 1888 King's N 6c 452

bren
 
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tresario said:
The family above is Samuel and Mary Ann Smith ( nee Colley). Their addresses are in 1881 39 grove lane, in 1891 22 Cherrywood Road,1901 23 vicarage Road, and in 1914 14 Craddock Street Saltley...I even have an Army record for Alfred based on this Alfred, but this isnt my Alfred....Well according to Sandwell..
Bernie
Click to expand...

And that is the one i have posted, 39 Grove Lane.

Under what district was the birth you sent for, if you specified Smethwick then they are not the same as i have given you, these are King's N

bren
 
Re: Up the wrong path???....

Thank you for all your help, I cant really see that it will get resolved. I have written to Archives to ask if I can see the records for All Saints, they havent got back to me as yet. I was ecstatic when I got the information regarding the above family and so very disappointed to find its the wrong one...o'h well ...with a name like Smith...smile...
The man at Sandwell said they had found several Alfred Smiths but none of them matched up..
Once again, many thanks. If you do manage to find out any more please let me know.
Best Regards
Bernie
 
Re: Up the wrong path???....

When I applied with that information with Smethwick as the birth district, the genealogist contacted me and said that I needed to apply to Sandwell. I applied on line and he telephoned me and emailed me. The ones at kings norton sound different. I have the address at 1891 when he was 6 months as Alfred smith 22 Cherrywood road, born Smethwick civil parish Aston, Ecclesiastical parish st oswald. Grove lane is harborne in 1881. So are the people in kings norton totally different then?
Bernie
 
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I have looked for Cherrywood Road on google and they only ones are in Bordesley Green, and Sutton Coldfield...Would either of them come under Kings Norton Registration District?
Bernie
 
Re: Up the wrong path???....How Thick Am I??

Thank you so much for all your help, the penny has finally dropped!(I think)...These people are the right people, I have sent it to the wrong registry office, I need to apply to which ever one does Kings Norton....:D

That is what the problem is, they wont find them at Sandwell...

As you are probably aware I am quite new to this, and only got Ancestry on 20th although I have been researching this for quite a while.

I do appreciate the searches you did and apologise if I had you as confused as me:rolleyes:.

Best Regards
Bernie
 
Re: Up the wrong path???....

Hi Bernie

I am pretty sure this is the correct family, the problem is sorting out the correct registration district. I have looked at that 1891 Census again, 22 Cherrywood Rd, and according to the info on there this area had already been transferred to Aston so i suspect they moved here after he was born. The 1881 Grove Lane, County- Staff's, Reg Dist King's N, Sub Reg Dist Harborne, if there is no middle name on his army records that you said you have then i myself would send for the Dec 1890 King's N 6c 433 cert from Birmingham or from GRO.

bren
 
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