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Selina/ Sarah Turner 1868-1902

CanadaAng

CanadaAng

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Hi Everyone,

My name is Angela, and I'm researching my family history. Specifically in this case my GGGrandmother Selina (Also went by Sarah) Turner. Born 1868- 1902. I have received plenty of information through Warwickshire county records office. (They are wonderful) The piece I am missing is that she was in the Aston Union Workhouse of Erdington (1901) before being admitted into Hatton Asylum for Dementia and dying at 34 in 1902. I am trying to find out what she was doing there and whether by GGGranfather was there too: Samuel Turner (Parents William and Jane Turner). Just trying to figure out where to go next. Any help is appreciated.
 
hi angela and welcome...could i ask how you know selina was in the workhouse in 1901 ? ..i can find selina on the 1901 census down as sister in law to head of the house living in albert place miller street ..says she is married but no sign of husband samuel on the census this ties in with her 1892 marriage to samuel turner...i have her marriage cert (if you would like me to post it ?) which also gives the address of albert place miller st

from the records available on ancestry i cant seem to see selina referred to as sarah

lyn
 
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Hi There, Thank you for the quick reply. There admittance paper from Hatton said she came from there. I have those items as well, but nothing more on Samuel Turner. I appreciate that you looked into that much for me. :)
 
CanadaAng said:
Hi There, Thank you for the quick reply. There admittance paper from Hatton said she came from there. I have those items as well, but nothing more on Samuel Turner. I appreciate that you looked into that much for me. :)
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ok will see if we can find what happened to samuel..no doubt you know selina is buried at aston parish church..and as you know according to her burial record she died at hatton asylum..

lyn
 
Astoness said:
ok will see if we can find what happened to samuel..no doubt you know selina is buried at aston parish church..and as you know according to her burial record she died at hatton asylum..

lyn
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Hi Lyn,

Yes, I have this too. In fact we plan to be in Birmingham in June and I will visit her grave. That is what prompted my research on why she was in Hattons. Dementia appears to be the reason. There is even a photo on the research we got back. I feel very lucky for this as it is not often the case.
 
angela is this where selina died click on link below...just trying to locate samuel

lyn

www.ourwarwickshire.org.uk

Hatton County Lunatic Asylum

Dealing with people who had mental health problems was originally severe, partly because they were regarded as bad (and possibly possessed by the devil) rather than mad. They could be ...
www.ourwarwickshire.org.uk www.ourwarwickshire.org.uk
 
ok thought so...clearly selina was suffering mentally and as you know back in those days they were just locked up in asylums because family did not know how to cope and mental illness was not recognised..thank goodness things have changed..it could well be that husband samuel did not know how to help her so she went to live with relatives as he had to work and when they could not help her had no alternative but to admit her to hatton..i am still looking for samuel..couple of possibles but not sure yet...will get back to you..more research needed

lyn
 
On the marriage cert Samuel is a hawker and his father is a fruiterer.
In 1911 there is a Samuel Turner born Birmingham and living in Ashton Under Lyne in Lancashire. He is a fruiterer and married but no wife listed.
 
pjmburns said:
On the marriage cert Samuel is a hawker and his father is a fruiterer.
In 1911 there is a Samuel Turner born Birmingham and living in Ashton Under Lyne in Lancashire. He is a fruiterer and married but no wife listed.
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yes jan that was one i found and noted down for now..but a possible i think...if it is our samuel it is possible he could have just left birmingham moved to lancashire without even knowing that selina had died.

lyn
 
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pjmburns said:
On the marriage cert Samuel is a hawker and his father is a fruiterer.
In 1911 there is a Samuel Turner born Birmingham and living in Ashton Under Lyne in Lancashire. He is a fruiterer and married but no wife listed.
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Astoness said:
yes jan that was one i found and noted down for now..but a possible i think...if it is our samuel it is possible he could have just left birmingham moved to lancashire without even knowing that selina had died

lyn
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It is possible that he re-married later the same year that Selina died, to an Elizabeth Hickling, so he probably knew. On the 1921 census they are in Blackpool with Elizabeth's niece. His age is slightly wrong but he appears to be still listed as a fruiterer.
 
if i have the correct samuel..parents william and jane as said on post 1...his baptism states he was born on 17th of november 1871..baptised along with 3 other siblings..
 
There's a possible death for Samuel reg, Fylde Dec qtr 1921.

I can't see Elizabeth Hickling on the 1901 census either which makes me wonder if she and Samuel were already together and living under an assumed name or deliberately avoided being listed on the 1901 census - just speculation.
 
Astoness said:
if i have the correct samuel..parents william and jane as said on post 1...his baptism states he was born on 17th of november 1871..baptised along with 3 other siblings..
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If that is the case, she was the older woman. ;) having been born in 1868. His Parents are William and Jane and it looks like Siblings Albert, Lily and Arthur?
 
My family (Mom, and cousins) believe he may have been arrested while Selina was in the asylum if that's helpful. The story is a "Doosie" (Excuse my Canadian term)
 
1894 sentenced to hard labour but it refers to frequent dealing with the police over a number of years.
 

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