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Queen's Head, Midland Street

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renatakins

proper brummie kid
My Grampa William Woodward (b. 1868 Spondon, Derbyshire) managed & lived in a Public House at 58 Midland St, Aston in 1901 (with 1st wife, Sarah J)

I'd love to find out the name of the pub & any relevant information. He owned a pub & adjoining rifle range, (possibly another establishment ) & then finally for a short time he owned a restaurant before coming to Canada 1910. He also married a widow with 2 children (my Gramma, Alice H.) who was a barmaid at his pub in Aston. So in those ten years he was quite busy. We also hope to get info about Sarah J (Woodward) b 1872, Derby. Any information is greatly appreciated by his very large Canadian clan as I finally just found our family's roots across the ocean.
Thanks, Darlene
 
Kellys lists Herbert Pettit in 1895 also, so he was probably the owner, who was listed, but manager was William, who was not listed.
 
Colin B said:
It was the Queens Head P.H. in 1900, Herbert Pettitt was licensee.

Colin
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Is there any way of finding out who was working there? Is there a rifle range attached or close by? That would be helpful. He is listed on the census as being a manager there. We had been told that he owned the public house and he sold it later. Any ideas of where to go from here? :rolleyes:
 
Cannot help you with these queries, but below is a map showing the Queens Head c 1889. there would be room for a rifle range later

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I do not have a photo. I don’t think it was common to have a rifle range attached. Possibly some other members will be familiar with it. You say the rifle range might be another pub. Do you have details of earlier addresses ? William Woodward is not an uncommon name, but there is a William Woodward, mentioned in Kellys in 1890 as beer retailer 214 New Town Row. He is not there in 1888 or 1892.. There does not seem to be space for a rifle rang there. Also “beer retailer” can mean either a beerhouse or an off-licence (similar to a shop rather than a pub)
 
Our William Woodward is from Spondon, Derbyshire. He at some point went to Aston where he was working as a Brick Maker in the 1891 census but in the 1901 he is shown as manager of the public house at 58 Midland St. in Aston. He had a wife at that time named Sarah J.
He later married his barmaid, Alice Hannah (Robinson) Orton or Horton. They emmigrated to Canada in 1910 with her two boys and another two boys that were between the two of them. Stories seem to say that when he found out about her two sons after they married, he gave up the pub and possibly had a hotel or restaurant before going to Canada. He went back to the Brick making trade in Canada. Things seemed to be so secretive in this family so we do not have a whole lot of details. We are trying to piece it together now. We were told he owned the public house but things here are looking like he just managed it. But then we were told he was born in Wolverhampton and we are now finding out he was born in Spondon, Derbyshire. I feel like a detective now LOL. I appreciate your help in this very much.
 
Darlene
I didn’t go into it far enough, in particular I didn’t look after 1900 in Kellys. Normally I would have, but didn’t for some unknown reason.
1903-8 Woodward William, Queen's Head P.H. 58 Midland street
1912 Gone, as would be expected
He must have only recently moved into the pub when the 1901 census was conducted.

Mike
 
I think it could be either. Usually it is the landlord who runs the pub, who could also own it. Occasionally you get one person named in Kellys at more than one pub, which means, I think, that he must own both. Sorry not to be more definite
Mike
 
Thank you Mike. You have been most helpful here. Hopefully someone will have a photo and possibly know about a rifle range. Again, thank you.
 
I'm back to thank you for all your generous help in my search for my Grampas pub. Although I'm unable to find Midland Street (it must have been re-named) it looks like the street/road around the corner is Salty, not sure. This is the most wonderful forum !!! It has also been a big help to Kathleen who is working on the same family tree as I am. I'll keep checking on Ebay because sometimes people auction off post cards of pubs on there.
Again many thanks, Darlene
 
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