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Pubs in Bartholomew Street (Little Italy)

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karenmurphy

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Hi all
I have just found my ancestor listed as a publican at 24 Bartholomew Street, Ladywood on the 1901 census. He is George Nutbrown.
I can see from the census that next door is a lodging house and everyone in the lodgings are organ players/grinders from Italy, so I can see this is Little Italy which I've read about elsewhere on this site.

I am trying to find out what pub this might have been - elsewhere on the net I have found a list stating there were three pubs in Bartholomew St (Garibaldi Tavern, Waggon & Horses, Hen & Chickens) but it doesn't say what number.

Does anyone have any details which one it might be?

thanks Karen
 
Hi
anyone know which pub would have been at 24 Bartholomew Street, Ladywood in 1901?
My ancestor, George Nutbrown, is listed as publican.
I believe there were three pubs in the street but don't know any details

thanks Karen
 
Karen
The hen & chickens, which closed in 1904 was no 21. The Waggon & Horses was 61, and closed in 1943. Joseph McKenna's vol 2 of birmingham Pubs doesn't list a pub at no 24. In the directories it is listed as a beer retailer. this could mean either a publican or a shop which sold alcohol for off-sales. does it definitely say publican in the census. I can't find it at present in ancestry - not sure if its ancestry or me !
Mike
 
Karen
Went back to the 1891 census when James Edwards was landlord and here it is marked "Garibaldis", so that was its name
mike
 
thanks Mike
I don't suppose you need to know this now - but on 1901 ancestry has only listed the family as "Brown" rather than "Nutbrown" which is why you probably couldn't find them, it took me a while!

I don't suppose you know if I can get a copy ofGaribaldis?

regards Karen
 
Do you mean the original 1891 census sheet. If so, then if you sendme an IM with your e-mail address i'll send it to you. You may not be a beer drinker, but there used to be a brown ale called nutbrown ( I think it was whitbreads but not sure) , so he had a rather appropriate name
mike
 
Hi Mike
sorry I didn't make that last message very clear!
I meant to say are there any photos available of Garibaldi Tavern?

And I didn't know about the beer name so thanks for that

regards Karen
 
Hi Karen
Would that have been his nickname by any chance? Like "Georgie Nutbrown". It is an unusual name and as the previous poster said,there was a drink called nutbrown. I drank a few of them;)

Terry
 
There was also a religious sect,located in Bartholomew St.with the strange name of The Swedenbogians,they later moved to Summer Lane.There are accounts of this area being the most lawless and dangereous place in Britain at the turn of the 19th.centuary.Wouldn't have fancied running a pub.
 
Hi Terry
Nutbrown was his actual name - his daughter Josephine Nutbrown married in 1927. It would have been a good twist but the fact that it was his real name makes it even better I think!

Thanks Ray for the information too regarding the religious sect, I will look into that.

Does anyone know if any photos exist either of the Garibaldi Tavern or Bartholomew Street itself from around 1900?

thanks Karen
 
I thought the name Nutbrown was unusual so had a look in Ancestry . I expect Karen knows this but in 1901 there were 201 Nutbrowns and 175 in 1891. In 1891 there were 145 from yorkshire, so it seems pretty certain they originated there, and only 3 (all in one family) in warwickshire
Mike
 
Hi Mike
you're right about the Yorkshire connection, in fact George Nutbrown (the publican of the Garibaldi in 1901) hailed from York although he married a Brum girl

Karen
 
Thought this might be of interest, a cousins granddad playing up!

Source - Findmypast.co.uk - Newspaper cutting from the Birmingham Daily Post under Birmingham Police Court section dated 25th May 1900


Transcription of text in documentThe use of a knife - Lorto Greco, an Italian organ-grinder of back of 6 Bartholomew Street, was charged with assaulting Charles Cook, Potman at the Garibaldi Inn, in the same street. - Prisoner was drinking in the house when a disturbance arose, and complainant ejected him. Prisoner then rushed back at him with a knife, and stabbed him slightly in the thigh, - Complainant admitted that he lost his temper, and said prisoner befriended some time ago, and raised a subscription for him when he was in trouble. - The Stipendiary said the use of a knife could not be permitted in England, and prisoner must go to goal for twenty-one days.

regards John
 
Hello Karen.
The pub you seek is The Garibaldi.
George Nutbrown was my great grandfather. Josephine (Peg) Nutbrown was my grandmother. She married William Harrison. They had a few children, including my Dad. Dad has a photo of George on his wall. He said you'd be welcome to have a look. He knows a fair bit about George and the wider family, including the Antipodean Nutbrowns.
 
Josephine (known as "Peg"), the one married in 1927, was my grandmother. She married William Harrison. Josephine died in 1981, William in 1969.
 
The Garibaldi.
George was my great-grandfather.
My Dad knew George, his grandfather, and is happy to meet with you to fill you in on the local family.
 
Hi wdh

I don't think Karen will get your information as it looks as if this enquiry was the only post she made back in 2009 and she is no longer a member. So unless she happens to look in on the forum she will be unaware. Thanks for the information as I had never heard of The Garabaldi, I'm assuming that it was in the old Italian Quarter around Masshouse and not Ladywood as stated?
 
I think you're right - I tried posting the info about 6 months ago and there was no response. I tried sending it as a private message yesterday too, just in case karenmurphy is still looking for leads.

Yes, it was the Italian quarter. My great aunt used to tell stories of The Garibaldi. As a young girl she used to drop food down the grating in the street the the dancing bears kept in one of the cellars.
 
wdh said:
I think you're right - I tried posting the info about 6 months ago and there was no response. I tried sending it as a private message yesterday too, just in case karenmurphy is still looking for leads.

Yes, it was the Italian quarter. My great aunt used to tell stories of The Garibaldi. As a young girl she used to drop food down the grating in the street the the dancing bears kept in one of the cellars.
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Hello, I can see the Nutbrown trail going cold here ... but if you are still there ... I'm related to Eliza Ingram, sister of Priscilla Ingram, who married George Nutbrown. I'd love to get in touch.
 
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