Pear Tree Tavern in King Edwards Road?

[amdyhou]

Hi all,

I got so many helpful replies to my first post I look forward to hearing your views on this one!

An entry in the 1851 census shows that my relative lived "back of Pear Tree Tavern, King Edwards Road." It follows the entry for those living at No. 63 King Edwards Road. I've searched this site but am unable to find such a tavern (I did find a much later Pear Tree Tavern ex The Station but not near King Edwards Road or dating back to 1851).

Can anyone shed any light?

Hopefully,

amdyhou

 

[horsencart]

In the 1851 directory there are the following in King Edwards Road
Morgan William beer retailer,
Simkins Claudius Beer retailer
Charlesworth John beer retailer

no mention of the Pear Tree Tavern

Hi all,

I got so many helpful replies to my first post I look forward to hearing your views on this one!

An entry in the 1851 census shows that my relative lived "back of Pear Tree Tavern, King Edwards Road." It follows the entry for those living at No. 63 King Edwards Road. I've searched this site but am unable to find such a tavern (I did find a much later Pear Tree Tavern ex The Station but not near King Edwards Road or dating back to 1851).

Can anyone shed any light?

Hopefully,

amdyhou

 

[pollypops]

This advert appeared in the Birmingham Daily Post 14 September 1865 - Pear Tree Tavern up for auction that day.
I know it is later than when your relatives lived behind it but it does prove it was there.

 

[amdyhou]

Thanks Pollypops - that's the first proof I have!

 

[amdyhou]

Thanks Horsencart... Pear Tree Tavern is a bit of a mystery! I'll have to re-visit the census and see if any of the names you have match

 

[mikejee]

It was no 61 King Edwards Road. the 1851 census, when Caleb Cash was landlord, names it as the Pear tree tavern. The ancestry ref is Warwickshire > Birmingham > Lady Wood > District 15 > 19

 

[mikejee]

Between 1883 and 1884 the numbering on king Edwards road changed and no 61 became no 109, the position is shown on the map in red, which also shows back houses, which are in court conveniently called Pear tree place, though it might not have been called that in 1851

 

[Astonian]

hi mike
can you tell me what are the names of the two major roads which is at the top and bootom of the map ;
which end is the monument road end ,? or top end / as i beleive this was close to st marks street side that would
have taken you on to summer hill .
st marks street was devided into two halfs it was little st marks street first and then the other st marks street was
created but little st marks street did have the original courts and back to backs in it but the other side of the
st marks was made up of a slightly different houseing as i recall
this little licence sales would have been doors away from the little st marks street and st marks church as i recall
and across the other side of the rdthere was a horse ttough and a old gas mantle street lamp left from those days
we lived at 243 king edwards rd and as i recall some of thoselittle courts was ther stil in the fiftys
as i recall and a trace of fading advers of ales or beers still slightly imprinted on the upper walls
and the st marks was stil standing ; i would appreciate a resonce from you if you canjust to comfirm the two names
of the names at the top and botom on your map i belevie it was that point before st marks street was cut into and createated best wishes astonian;

 

[Astonian]

hi mike;
Its me again i was just wondering whether that could have been the area they made for a park it must have been
about 200 yards along in lenght along the king edwards rd and a little side rd called goodman street
was a little narrow rd sited between the park land and the factory of willmots factory before willmotts was built ;
which would have been yards from st marks church and thenew designated little st marks street in that period
I apreciate that you have stated for the periods of number changing of properties and me calulating the numbers
from the parklandand passing willmotts even thou i do not know when that was built i beleive it was some think
else before willmotts but carrying on up to where i have just previuosly sad about the sales licence of beers ;
which there was alot of signs faintly a they was and the widows was of a square and old andbotched up plaster screening which was very old and tired looking work manship gave me the impression of being a bussiness property ; which was close to the corner of king edwards rd and st marks street it was some or another in its hey day ; and those house on king edwards rd section was oringinale ones leading up to monument rd where the monument rd ran across
and the other side of the rd of monument was the extension ofking edwars rd ans thats where the bigger nubers wa of king edwarrds rd we was about ninety yards if that from the corner on king edwards rd we was 243 king edwards rd
there was a news agents by the name of dickens he was one of the orinignale one there before the war years
so on my first and previuos thread is why i said where i think it was the pear tree taven and right next door to it there was a family of kids i used to play with but i cannot just recall there name and cross the rd by the church wich was facing there house was the church ; i can recall them demolishing it as well; it became a wall paper bussiness and when they moved out
it became a ware house called DECCO ; it was a big Commercial bussines only ;
many thanks look forwarded to seing or hearing from you any furher info; astonian;;





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[amdyhou]

Great stuff Mikejee, or should I say bostin! ;-) That map's a good piece for my family tree.

This is certainly the place for those who know.

amdyhou

 

[mikejee]

Alan
The road that comes down from the top to the right is summer Hill Road, the one that comes down to King edward rd from the top to the left id Nelson St, and the continuation of it is Nelson St south. St Marks St was a lot further up to the left.
mike

 

[Charlie]

In the 1851 directory there are the following in King Edwards Road
Morgan William beer retailer,
Simkins Claudius Beer retailer
Charlesworth John beer retailer

no mention of the Pear Tree Tavern

The John Charlesworth mentioned was my great grandfather. He was running the Tindal Arms in 1851. Any idea where that would have been after re-numbering Mike? I think at the time it was 143 King Edwards Road (or thereabouts). Seems there were a fair few beer houses there in 1851!

 

[mikejee]

Charlie
There is no mention of a number in the 1851 census. It does give a schedule no, (122) which is just the number counted from the first house recorded by the little man who went round in that district. Directories do not give a number for a number of years for some reason, although most of the road was given numbers. Assuming the pub was not repositioned in a different building, you cannot be certain from the directories and it has happened, then before renumbering 1883-4 the Tindal Arms was 239, and after it was 14 . the map below shows the position of thepub on a c 1914 map., although the pub itself was not there then..

 

[Charlie]

Many thanks Mike, at least I can now pinpoint where it was. He was a boatman before running the pub (1841 census lists him as "Towing Path, Ladywood") and the bridge over the canal there was Tindal Bridge, so the position of the pub makes sense! Again ... many thanks.

 

[mikejee]

I notice in 1851 Jane Wellington next door to the pub was a boatman's wife

 

[Charlie]

I'd noticed that as well Mike and wondered if there was any connection, but I don't think so, John Charlesworth's wife was also a Jane.
I guess most of the boat people had to "diversify" after the railways started making inroads (pardon the pun) and it was a close knit community.