Overton Place

[margessister]

Has anyone got any information at all about this area? My dad lived there in later 1939 and 1940s
His address was Overton Place, Barrack street ( 1939 register )
Thanks in advance
Annette

 

[Astoness]

hi...click on below link to take you to a map of barrack st...as you can see there is only one place that overton place could have been as the whole left side of the street was taken up by the arm barracks and the top square on the right was st james the less church and graveyard leaving the houses that backed onto critchley st..this is my best guess if you move the blue dot the old map will fade out to show you what is there now

lyn

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[margessister]

hi...click on below link to take you to a map of barrack st...as you can see there is only one place that overton place could have been as the whole left side of the street was taken up by the arm barracks and the top square on the right was st james the less church and graveyard leaving the houses that backed onto critchley st..this is my best guess if you move the blue dot the old map will fade out to show you what is there now

lyn

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thank you very much

 

[Astoness]

just found this map which may be better for you...you can see the barracks taking up all of the left side of barrack st..top right is the church and graveyard then next to that are the only dwelling houses i can see so i am assuming that overton place must have been somewhere there.if any of our map experts spot this thread they maybe able to pinpoint overton place for you

 

[margessister]

just found this map which may be better for you...you can see the barracks taking up all of the left side of barrack st..top right is the church and graveyard then next to that are the only dwelling houses i can see so i am assuming that overton place must have been somewhere there.if any of our map experts spot this thread they maybe able to pinpoint overton place for you

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thank you, this is terrific

 

[pjmburns]

There is still an Overton Place off Barrack Street today - very different, I imagine

 

[pjmburns]

Barracks went some time after 1913 and housing was built incuding Overton Place. 1937 map

 

[Vivienne14]

From Ashted.org

"Ashted Barracks was erected in 1792 after the Priestley Riots, aka Birmingham Riots, of the previous year. The barracks remained until the 1930s."

 

[pjmburns]

Thanks so the Barracks went early 1930s as Overton Place on 1937 map.

 

[Astoness]

thanks jan so is the overton place that is there now the one that margessisters dad lived in...he was there from 1939..i made an error thinking overton place was on the other side

lyn

 

[pjmburns]

I need to check maps but think that might be a replacement - will see if I can work it out in a bit.

 

[Astoness]

I need to check maps but think that might be a replacement - will see if I can work it out in a bit.

thanks jan..on your 1937 map overton place is parallel with st james st and forster st...and 3 places down from gt brook st but looking at todays st view overton is now 2 down from gt brook st so the footprint has changed i think needs checking

 

[brummy-lad]

On the 1939 register the barracks have been built on and Overton Place is the new one. A surname for Annette's father could confirm for definite.

 

[brummy-lad]

An aerial view of Overton Place construction in 1933

 

[pjmburns]

The properties currently there are described on Zoopla as flat/maisonette so I think must be replacements for the houses where Annette's father lived.

 

[Astoness]

i agree john maybe annette could give us her dads name

 

[brummy-lad]

The properties currently there are described on Zoopla as flat/maisonette so I think must be replacements for the houses where Annette's father lived.

Yes Janice, I did think they looked rather upmarket for the 1930s.

 

[Astoness]

The properties currently there are described on Zoopla as flat/maisonette so I think must be replacements for the houses where Annette's father lived.

possible jan but go through the archways and they could be maisonettes in the quad area...ive seen this before for pre war housing before...difficult

lyn

 

[Astoness]

An aerial view of Overton Place construction in 1933

john looking at your over head there are 6 plots of land being built on and they are clearly working their way up towards gt brook st.. each with houses on the front to each plot..looking at todays st view coming down from gt brook st we have heneage place..overton place..windsor place..heddon place..and vauxhall place..so have a lost a plot or maybe THE plot lol

lyn

 

[brummy-lad]

john looking at your over head there are 6 plots of land being built on and they are clearly working their way up towards gt brook st.. each with houses on the front to each plot..looking at todays st view coming down from gt brook st we have heneage place..overton place..windsor place..heddon place..and vauxhall place..so have a lost a plot or maybe THE plot lol

lyn

Also Moorcroft Place Lynn, but i think that is recorded as Great Brook Street. I don't think you could ever lose the plot Lynn.

 

[Astoness]

Also Moorcroft Place Lynn, but i think that is recorded as Great Brook Street. I don't think you could ever loose the plot Lynn.

dont you believe it john...ask janice lol...right so with moorcroft we now have our 6 plots as shown on your post 14 1933 construction plan...so compering the footprint then and that of the 1937 map on post 7 it looks pretty much the same as todays footprint showing overton place on the edge of the graveyard opposite..now all we need to find out is were those properties demolished and new ones built on the same ground in exactly the same place and given exactly the same names...i could be so wrong but gut feeling is telling me the buildings there now are the same as the ones built in 1933...of course over the years they would have been tarted up a bit but as you say we could do with annettes dads name as it may help us

lyn

 

[pjmburns]

Typical Overton Place is split beteen 2 maps. Just going to see what I can do.

 

[pjmburns]

I have attempted to join together2sectios of 1949 map

 

[pjmburns]

This is a current map the red marker is at the end of Overton Place.

 

[pjmburns]

1939 eroll listed as off Windsor Street.

 

[Astoness]

I have attempted to join together2sectios of 1949 map
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thanks jan numbers the same today view... 44.43 and 42

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lyn

 

[pjmburns]

thanks jan..on your 1937 map overton place is parallel with st james st and forster st...and 3 places down from gt brook st but looking at todays st view overton is now 2 down from gt brook st so the footprint has changed i think needs checking

There were 6 spaces (garden areas) on 1949 map and there are still 6 today. Yellow is Overton Place. Ist one (Moorcroft Place) doesn't seem to have its own exit onto either Barrack or Windsor Streets.

 

[margessister]

The properties currently there are described on Zoopla as flat/maisonette so I think must be replacements for the houses where Annette's father lived.

hello, I believe the house was called a maisonette at the time..lol. I always wondered what it meant.

 

[margessister]

1939 eroll listed as off Windsor Street.
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the address was 4 overton Place, my grandparents lived there. My grandad was italian so I dont think he would be on the list but Edith Gladys Jeffery was my grandmother

 

[margessister]

i agree john maybe annette could give us her dads name

Antony Sperduti