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Oliver Street Bloomsbury

pudding

pudding

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Hi all,

I have came across this photo of a street party which the owner said was taken somerwhere in Nechells,but no name of the streets or roads the only name I can make out is the shop in background called E Aston.
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I could be wrong but I think they are in Saint Saviours Rd, probably a VE party as there is flags and Bunting hanging up. Eric
 
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There are photographs in the house windows so presumably the celebrations had connection to do with the occupants unless it is Coronation year and it is the Queen that is in the photographs.
 
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Radiorails said:
There are photographs in the house windows so presumably the celebrations had connection to do with the occupants unless it is Coronation year and it the Queen that is in the photographs.
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Looks like a photo of the Queen in the window.
 
Phil said:
Pudding


It could be Elizabeth Aston 21 Oliver Street.
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Hi Phil. is oliver st running across from left to right on thr photo? if so then the person taking the photo is standing in Cromwell st?
thank you for your time and help.
 
Pudding I am going by the name that you said you could make out on the shop, where is the name displayed because I can't see it. If the shop is 21 Oliver Street then I think the photographer would have been in Schofield Street looking toward Great Lister Street.

John are you going with personal knowledge or can you make out the street sign? Because if you know what corner of Willis Street Lupin Street it was then I might have another photo.
 
Phil said:
Pudding I am going by the name that you said you could make out on the shop, where is the name displayed because I can't see it. If the shop is 21 Oliver Street then I think the photographer would have been in Schofield Street looking toward Great Lister Street.

John are you going with personal knowledge or can you make out the street sign? Because if you know what corner of Willis Street Lupin Street it was then I might have another photo.
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Phil, could this photo help you to work out thr location better? as it taken from the opposite side of the road/street? taken 1946
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The corner building directly behind the man on the motorbike looks the same as the one in the other photo but at different dates. The street name sign left of upper window and advert sign right of the window in same positions.
 
Pudding

The Name Oliver Street is quite plain on the street sign, though what I said before about the position of the photographer you can forget as from your second photo I can see it's the other direction and the person taking the photo has their back to Great Lister Street and in fact would be stood where the red spot is on this map.

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oldMohawk said:
The corner building directly behind the man on the motorbike looks the same as the one in the other photo but at different dates. The street name sign left of upper window and advert sign right of the window in same positions.
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i agree OM same location just a few years apart
 
Pudding

Looking at the map it's says it's number 80, if I look in the trade directory 80 is listed as Lillian Prudence Sambrook dining rooms. Though I'm not happy with that as going by the other street numbers I can't see how it could be number 80 even if it was listed as Schofield Street. You might need someone with access to to the census records for then or perhaps Mikejee might take a look for you as he's usually pretty good at sorting things like this out.
 
Phil said:
Pudding

Looking at the map it's says it's number 80, if I look in the trade directory 80 is listed as Lillian Prudence Sambrook dining rooms. Though I'm not happy with that as going by the other street numbers I can't see how it could be number 80 even if it was listed as Schofield Street. You might need someone with access to to the census records for then or perhaps Mikejee might take a look for you as he's usually pretty good at sorting things like this out.
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Thanks for your help Phil much appreciated.
 
A few rather strange coincidences here. The 1952 electoral roll shows Elizabeth Aston at 21 Oliver st. This is in red on the corner on the map, but also appears to be in the same position and could be labelled as 21 Schofield St. In fact the numbering is arranged as if the no 21 was Schofield St, but it must be Oliver St. (as there are no houses on the other side of the junction that could be the shop The other coincidence is that in 1930 an Elizabeth Aston was living at 34 Oliver Road in Erdington

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The only thing I can add here is that the area opposite the shop with nothing there was flattened during the war, and was commonly known as the landmine, where we used to play as 6 and 7 year olds.
 
mikejee said:
A few rather strange coincidences here. The 1952 electoral roll shows Elizabeth Aston at 21 Oliver st. This is in red on the corner on the map, but also appears to be in the same position and could be labelled as 21 Schofield St. In fact the numbering is arranged as if the no 21 was Schofield St, but it must be Oliver St. (as there are no houses on the other side of the junction that could be the shop The other coincidence is that in 1930 an Elizabeth Aston was living at 34 Oliver Road in Erdington

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Thank you Mike for the numbering info and street pkan.
 
Mike

I found all the numbering at this crossroads very confusing and I could make no sense of it at all, so I just used the numbers on the 1952 map and looked up the listing. To my mind E Astons shop was at 21 Schofield Street and the dining rooms I mention were at 80 Oliver Street, but that doesn't explain why number 70 is on the opposite corner.
 
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Thank you Mike for the numbering info and street pkan.
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My Grandfather Charles Robert Kelsall owned the shop on the corner of Oliver and Schofield Street until 1947 when his wife died. It was a Green Grocers shop. His daughter Elizabeth Aston acquired the shop some years later before moving to Cornwall.
 
mikejee said:
A few rather strange coincidences here. The 1952 electoral roll shows Elizabeth Aston at 21 Oliver st. This is in red on the corner on the map, but also appears to be in the same position and could be labelled as 21 Schofield St. In fact the numbering is arranged as if the no 21 was Schofield St, but it must be Oliver St. (as there are no houses on the other side of the junction that could be the shop The other coincidence is that in 1930 an Elizabeth Aston was living at 34 Oliver Road in Erdington

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My Grandfather Charles Robert Kelsal owned 17,18 & 19 Oliver Street and 21 & 22 Scholfield Street until compulsary purchased by Birmingham Corporation
 
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