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New Bartholomew Street

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I have to admit I have never seen this before the street name in New Bartholomew St
has been spelt wrong and it has been like it for many years can you see the different way it has been spelt ?
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My contribution has nothing to do with the spelling, but when I searched forums for New Bartholomew Street, this came up. As you are both Master Brummies, I thought I'd give this a go. Would you happen to know if 51 New Bartholomew Street was a lodging house or hostel for women? I am asking because I found my grandmother in the 1939 census there with 34 other women and this is the only explanation I can think of?
 
This may be too early but in 1915 it is listed as a public house (Mogul) so may have been large enough to become a hostel of some sort.
 
51 New Bartholomew St was at one time a pub called the Mogul, the pub cannot be found in latter directory's so it is possible the pub closed some time 1940? and it was converted to lodging house? or hostel but was there for a short time there was a war on and living space was at a premium

debbieironmonger said:
My contribution has nothing to do with the spelling, but when I searched forums for New Bartholomew Street, this came up. As you are both Master Brummies, I thought I'd give this a go. Would you happen to know if 51 New Bartholomew Street was a lodging house or hostel for women? I am asking because I found my grandmother in the 1939 census there with 34 other women and this is the only explanation I can think of?
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Is anyone able to help with information about New Bartholomew Street in Birmingham? I have relatives who gave their addresses as 38 and 40 New Bartholomew Street when they married in 1900.

I'm not sure if this was a residential address or if it was linked with a business of some kind. (I've looked through the 1939 Register and only a very few numbers are listed as residential addresses on New Bartholomew Street).

Any ideas of where I could search for information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Jan
 
Welcome Jan. Another member made a point on another thread about the same premises you’re interested in too. Here’s a copy of their post. Hope someone can throw some light on this for you. Viv.



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Hi - many thanks for this.

Yes, Steve and I are in touch - we're pursuing the same relative!

I was interested to find out if numbers 38 & 30 New Bartholomew Street were residential or if they were business premises of some kind. As Steve mentioned above, we don't know if it's just a "convenient" address that was used or if it was a genuine residential property. Interestingly, the witnesses at the wedding also give exactly the same addresses when they married 2 months earlier. I've tried tracking their movements, too, to see if there were any clues but have found nothing so far.

Once again, thanks for your reply.

Jan
 
debbieironmonger said:
My contribution has nothing to do with the spelling, but when I searched forums for New Bartholomew Street, this came up. As you are both Master Brummies, I thought I'd give this a go. Would you happen to know if 51 New Bartholomew Street was a lodging house or hostel for women? I am asking because I found my grandmother in the 1939 census there with 34 other women and this is the only explanation I can think of?
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In the 1901 Census the first entry for New Bartholomew Street is 'Common Lodge House' which is listed as No.1 (??), the next entries are 37, 49, 48 etc.
No. 51 as stated in an earlier post was The Mogul PH in 1903, given the difficult numbering system I would say that these were the same building.
I would think it was the former 'Common Lodge House' where your grandma was lodging. In 1901 there were 47 lodgers (men & women) on the census and it appears at a later date it reverted back from being a pub to being a lodging house which it still was in 1939.
 

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Hi - thank you for this.

However, after more searching on the 1901 census and 1911 census I'm delighted to say that I've just solved my own problem!! It turns out that 38 & 40 New Bartholomew Street were residential properties and the parents of one of the witnesses at the wedding lived at number 40! Although I'd built a dummy tree before for the witnesses, I never thought of exploring their parents' addresses!

Once again, thank you for the contributions.

Jan
 
brummy-lad said:
In the 1901 Census the first entry for New Bartholomew Street is 'Common Lodge House' which is listed as No.1 (??), the next entries are 37, 49, 48 etc.
No. 51 as stated in an earlier post was The Mogul PH in 1903, given the difficult numbering system I would say that these were the same building.
I would think it was the former 'Common Lodge House' where your grandma was lodging. In 1901 there were 47 lodgers (men & women) on the census and it appears at a later date it reverted back from being a pub to being a lodging house which it still was in 1939.
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Thanks for this information brummy-lad, it confirms just what I had thought, another reason to love this group x
 
My 4 x great uncle was a licensed victualler at the Mogul Tavern in the 1850s, which was then listed as 95 Bartholomew St. Which I assume became New Bartholomew St when the railway line was built and split it in two.
 
The mentions of Bartholomew Street and New Bartholomew Street seem to change in late 1854, and in 1855 it seems to be the Mogul at New Bartholomew Street.
 
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1839 and 1889 maps showing the change...

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...there are maps in between but they're not great. 1852 is the last mention I have of my relative at the Mogul, not sure where he was after that until he died in Boulogne in 1864.
 
MWS said:
My 4 x great uncle was a licensed victualler at the Mogul Tavern in the 1850s, which was then listed as 95 Bartholomew St. Which I assume became New Bartholomew St when the railway line was built and split it in two.
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hi mark its a shame that its very doubtful we will get an image of that pub although who knows one day a sketch may turn up

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Thomas seems to be at the Mogul in 1848 (I assume the A middle initial was a misprint)
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He leaves in 1860, to be followed by Thomas Allen, who, however did not last long

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