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Mystery Garden
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Lady Penelope
master brummie
Lyn, I should think this was the one in Duddeston. Perhaps the owner called it 'New' because there was already one in London. I seem to remember that our version opened in the 1700's.
Lady Penelope
master brummie
Sorry, Just read an article Lyn in the Birmingham Post and the one above closed in 1850 so it can't be that one. I'm sure someone will come up with the answer.
Down Memory Lane
master brummie
There's a write up of the history of Birmingham's "Vauxhall Gardens" in the following link, including map references, maps and images.
It does however state that they were closed in 1850 and sold for housing development, which is at odds with the 1851 date you quote in the opening post.
https://billdargue.jimdo.com/placenames-gazetteer-a-to-y/places-v/vauxhall/
It does however state that they were closed in 1850 and sold for housing development, which is at odds with the 1851 date you quote in the opening post.
https://billdargue.jimdo.com/placenames-gazetteer-a-to-y/places-v/vauxhall/
Radiorails
master brummie
Bil Dargue mentions these gardens of Duddeston Hall and there is a drawing of Vauxhall Gardens. I think these might be the same place - could be wrong of course - but it is suggested that they were sold in 1850 for housing. I wonder if a small area was sold to make the gardens mentioned in the poster in Lyn's post.
https://billdargue.jimdo.com/placenames-gazetteer-a-to-y/places-v/vauxhall/
https://billdargue.jimdo.com/placenames-gazetteer-a-to-y/places-v/vauxhall/
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i will try and double check the date of the article ..actually i think it came out of a book...someone sent it to me as a point of interest but maybe the date is wrong..will get back asap
lyn
Lady Penelope
master brummie
Lyn, in London there were the original Vauxhall Gardens followed, I think by the Spring Gardens. I remember trying to find out about the Spring Gardens in Birmingham, they were somewhere around Digbeth, if I remember correctly. Perhaps these were New Vauxhall? I remember seeing a cutting on this forum mentioning them.
Down Memory Lane
master brummie
I've managed to find the attached from White's History, gazetteer and directory of Warwickshire 1850...
Down Memory Lane
master brummie
That link in post 5 is the same as the one I posted in post 4.
The link has a map from 1839 showing the location of the garden, and at the bottom of the link there is a further Google map showing where it would be if it still existed today.
The text in the link states the entrance to the garden would have been very near to Vauxhall House, which used to stand at 205 Vauxhall Road, Birmingham B7 4HR.
I don't think it's the same garden referenced in your opening post as the map is from 1839 and it closed in 1850. The garden kept by Thomas Hale wasn't established until 1844 (by John Bradshaw, the lessee) as mentioned in my post 9 above.
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Lady Penelope
master brummie
Lyn, the gardens I was thinking of were the Apollo Gardens and they closed before the Vauxahall ones. The other Spring Gardens are in Buxton - getting confused! I think Janice is right and like I said the 'New' is because London had them first.
This is interesting, concerning apollo gardens:
https://theironroom.wordpress.com/2018/09/06/the-apollo-gardens/
https://theironroom.wordpress.com/2018/09/06/the-apollo-gardens/
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
Interesting as the proprietor of the Apollo Gardens in Aston New Town was a Thomas Gee! I have placed the following comment on the comments for the site...
The article describes Holte Bridgman's Apollo Gardens as on the NE corner of the junction of Lichfield Road and Rocky Lane. The date that the gardens opened is not known, but gives a report of May 1748, and suggests that by 1751 Holte had reputedly closed the Gardens, possibly eclipsed by Vauxhall Gardens. The rest of the article concentrates on the other Apollo Gardens at Moseley Street.
There was a question in the Birmingham newspaper of 1873 as to when this Apollo Gardens had actually closed; "A place of amusement, near Aston New Town,” and it may be able to add further information by looking in the Newspaper Archives.
In December 1848 there was an advert to sell Apollo Gardens, Aston New Town. “A much frequented Retail House with pleasure Gardens.” The proprietor was MR T. Gee.
In May 1849 there is a further advert for the sale. Described as Summer Lane situated near the Asylum. “The gardens are in good condition, and are now open for the season.” Prop Thomas Gee.
By March 1854 it is advertised as Sale of Freehold Building land. "Several lots, being the site of the Apollo Gardens...fronting the Asylum road and the road leading therefrom into Walmer Lane, and also the new Thoroughfare leading from the Asylum Road into the new Walsall turnpike Road."
Williamstreeter
master brummie
Pedrocut Thomas Gee is this the same person as the name of the electroplaters that were in Summer Lane 1970/80s Thos H Gee Ltd
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
The Iron Room site says of the second Apollo Gardens...
“All trace of the original river loop has vanished beneath industrial and domestic buildings. The name of Apollo had remained not only in the Apollo Works but also in Apollo Row that ran from Charles Henry Street to the river parallel with Moseley Street.”