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Moseley research

jpsmyth

jpsmyth

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I'm trying to research my 3rd Great Grand parents. I'm aware he was known as Joseph Moseley, DOB - 14 Jan 1851 Workhouse, Birmingham, Warwickshire, UK. Date of Death 4 Mar 1923 30 Cattells Grove, Nechells, Aston, Warwickshire, England.

If my research is correct, his mother was called Harriett Moseley Born:1835 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Death: Jul 1895 Aston, Birmingham, Warwickshire, United Kingdom.

Harriett appears to have had three children, all are listed on their birth certificate(s) as the father not being named. They are called:

1) Joseph Moseley, DOB - 14 Jan 1851 Workhouse, Birmingham, Warwickshire, UK. Date of Death 4 Mar 1923 30 Cattells Grove, Nechells, Aston, Warwickshire, England.

2) Mary Ann Moseley Birth :10 Sep 1868 Primrose Hill, Aston, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Death :Jul-Aug-Sep 1947 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

3) Sarah Moseley Birth:30 Jan 1857 9 Court Coleshill Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Death: Jan 1925 Birmingham North, Warwickshire, England

Harriet marries a Samuel Wallace (also spelt Wallis and Wallice in various mis-transcribed documents). Whilst the children appear to adopt his surname in future years, there appears to be no proof he is the father.

Anything anyone can shed on this history wise would be greatly appreciated.
 
Is that her and Joseph with her sister's family on Vauxhall St in 1851?

So, possibly born a little before 1835.

On Stafford St in 1841 maybe, with mother siblings and step father perhaps?
 
MWS said:
Is that her and Joseph with her sister's family on Vauxhall St in 1851?

So, possibly born a little before 1835.

On Stafford St in 1841 maybe, with mother siblings and step father perhaps?
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I thought I had her baptism in 1835 but that Harriett died later the same year so wrong person.
 
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Morning I was wondering if you may be able to help please? I'm currently trying to uncover history and links all surrounding Harriett Moseley (Mosely / Mousley) abt.B1835 D1895. It appears she gave birth to Joseph Moseley B1851 D1923. If my research is correct she also had two other children called Sarah Moseley B1857 D1925 and Mary Ann B1868 D1947. All are listed as Harriett obviously being their mother and interestingly each birth certificate does not indicate who the father is. Harriett later marries Samuel Wallace (also spelt Wallis and Wallice in different documents which have been transcribed poorly). All the children (Joseph, Sarah and Mary) over time adopt Samuels surname and effectively become Wallace's. The bit I'm struggingly with is Harriet - is she Moseley (or Mosely/Mousley) by birth or was she married? It seems difficult to believe she was married as it seems she was circa 16-18 yrs old when she gave birth to Joseph. Any help you can offer to uncover Harrietts tale and family links would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to look at my tree (its public) to see the research I have accumulated so far in relation to the Moseley / Wallace leg of my family.

I have discovered a 1851 Census - address Bk 3 No 2 Vauxhall Street which lists a Harriet and Joseph living with a Joseph and Ann Hughes. Harriet is listed as a Sister-in-law to Ann, the dates appear to align and even though the Joseph Mosely is listed as a lodger its clear that at 3 months old he's clearly Harriett's child. Joseph Hughes and Ann Mousley - these two appear to align. Given the 1851 Census also list's Joseph and Ann's children as Mary (8yrs old - birth circa 1843) and Hannah (2yrs old - birth circa 1849), again this aligns so I strongly believe we have a match.

I'd love to try to validate all of this information to confirm the Moseley link - would anyone be interested in helping?

Look forward to hearing from you.

Kind Regards, Justin Smyth
 
hi ..i can see you posted the birth cert for joseph...do you have the certs for the other 2 children sarah and mary ann

lyn
 
Though it doesn't definitely prove that she was a Moseley, Harriet lists her father as James Moseley.

Assuming that Ann Hughes is Harriet's sister, though there doesn't appear to be a marriage for a Joseph Hughes to an Ann Moseley, not unusual.

There is a birth reg. for a Mary Ann Hughes mmn Moseley, Sep qtr 1843 Bham but there that doesn't prove that this is relevant. There are definitely other Hughes/Moseley children reg. in the 1840s that are not theirs and she might not be either.

Going back to Ann, there is a baptism for an Ann Mosely 7 Apr 1828 (dob 11 Apr 1825) Bham, daughter of James and Sarah, so corresponds with her age in 1851. Baptised at the same time is a James Mosely (dob 23 Feb 1822).

On the 1841 census there are a James and Hannah Mosely of the correct ages and a Harriet aged 10 living on Stafford St with a Robert & Sarah Lander with a daughter Elizabeth aged 7. So possible that Sarah is their mother and has re-married.
 
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Coincidently (perhaps) there is a baptism for an Elizabeth Moseley, daughter of Robert and Sarah in 1835 (dob 15 Nov 1833), so matching Sarah Lander in 1841.

So alternatively, Sarah may have been a Moseley and baptised her children as such and just added the father's first name.
 
just following on from the posts made by MWS it seems to me that harriets 3 children could all be by the same father or by different fathers...it could be something that you will never be able to find out..i take it you do not have a baptism for harriet moseley ?

lyn
 
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i have found a bapt for a harriet moseley born 9th of april 1831 bapt at st philips dec 1831...address livery st..fathers name james mother is ann occ of james is tailor...could this be your harriet?

lyn
 
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The other Moseley children I mentioned (including her possible sister, Ann) had parents James and Sarah, though not sure they are relevant.

I think Harriet's father's occupation on her marriage appears to say Brass Tool Worker.

Her possible brother, James, may have married a Hannah Salt in 1841, Edgbaston. Not sure if any details from that can be matched to Harriet.
 
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i have found a bapt for a harriet moseley born 9th of april 1831 bapt at st philips dec 1831...address livery st..fathers name james mother is ann occ of james is tailor...could this be your harriet?

lyn
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This one? Only concern is occupation on the marriage cert (which may not be true, of course) doesn't say tailor.
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The other Moseley children I mentioned (including her possible sister, Ann) had parents James and Sarah, though not sure they are relevant.

I think Harriet's father's occupation on her marriage appears to say Brass Tool Worker.

Her possible brother, James, may have married a Hannah Salt in 1841, Edgbaston. Not sure if any details from that can be matched to Harriet.
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Marriage cert for James and Hannah has very little info.
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MWS said:
The other Moseley children I mentioned (including her possible sister, Ann) had parents James and Sarah, though not sure they are relevant.

I think Harriet's father's occupation on her marriage appears to say Brass Tool Worker.

Her possible brother, James, may have married a Hannah Salt in 1841, Edgbaston. Not sure if any details from that can be matched to Harriet.
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yes it does say brass worker on harriets marr cert mark but that was in 1870 folk swapped occupations especially within a 40 year gap between that bapt and harriets marr but i thought it worth a mention

lyn
 
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Marriage cert for James and Hannah has very little info.
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That is definitely the James Moseley baptised as the son of James and Sarah mentioned previously. Occupation and address match the 1841 census. Tying in with Harriet and Ann.

Lack of details could imply that he was illegitimate.
 
1841 stafford st..stafford st also ties in with the add on james marr cert

could this be a re marriage.. could sarah landis/lander have formally been sarah moseley


NameHarriet Mosely
Age10
Estimated Birth Yearabt 1831
GenderFemale
Where bornWarwickshire, England
Civil parishBirmingham
HundredBirmingham
County/IslandWarwickshire
CountryEngland
Registration districtBirmingham
Sub-registration districtSt Peter
NeighborsView others on page
Piece1145
Book1
Folio50
Page number8
Household Members (Name)Age
Robert Landis30
Sarah Landis35
James Mosely19
Hannah Mosely16
Harriet Mosely10
Elizabeth Lander7
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Yes, I think this them. There are matching baptisms for James and Hannah (Ann) with parents James and Sarah. Ann's matches the age of Ann Hughes wife of Joseph in 1851, when Harriet is listed as sister in law. 1851 census is a definite.

As mentioned there is also a baptism for an Elizabeth Moseley in 1835, parents Robert and Sarah. It may be a coincidence but it may be relevant, Moseley rather than Lander implying that they weren't married. Address and Robert's occupation might prove it.

There is a burial/death for a Sarah Lander of about the right age in 1847 Bham.

Robert was a toy maker/whitesmith and doesn't die until the 1880s, not sure where he is 1851, 61 or 71.
 
MWS said:
Yes, I think this them. There are matching baptisms for James and Hannah (Ann) with parents James and Sarah. Ann's matches the age of Ann Hughes wife of Joseph in 1851, when Harriet is listed as sister in law. 1851 census is a definite.

As mentioned there is also a baptism for an Elizabeth Moseley in 1835, parents Robert and Sarah. It may be a coincidence but it may be relevant, Moseley rather than Lander implying that they weren't married. Address and Robert's occupation might prove it.

There is a burial/death for a Sarah Lander of about the right age in 1847 Bham.

Robert was a toy maker/whitesmith and doesn't die until the 1880s, not sure where he is 1851, 61 or 71.
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possible imprisonment..hasten to add only possible

NameHarriet Moseley
Age18
Estimated Birth Yearabt 1830
Date of Trial15 Apr 1848
Trial Year1848
Location of TrialWarwickshire, England
SentenceImprisonment
 
Baptism definitely matches Robert's occupation from the 1841 census so I think Elizabeth Lander in 1841 is that Elizabeth Moseley.

Street matches the baptism for Harriet that Lyn found, so could Ann be an error?
 
MWS said:
Baptism definitely matches Robert's occupation from the 1841 census so I think Elizabeth Lander in 1841 is that Elizabeth Moseley.

Street matches the baptism for Harriet that Lyn found, so could Ann be an error?
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Sorry - do you mean Ann/Hannah or the Father's name?
Or did you mean the names on the baptism Lyn found?
 
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