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Middlesex to Birmingham

barrie

master brummie
My sister in Canada is researching her husbands family (Hitchens) His family are all Brummies. My sister became intrigued in a lady on one of the Hitchens death certs, the lady's name was Amelia Vast, and she was present at the death of one of the Hitchens.

Amelia Vast came originally from Middlesex, as did her husband George. He is shown on one of the census's as an excavator, so he may have worked on the canals. On the 1851 census George is at home with his parens and single, on the 1861 census he is shown as married to Amelia, so they must have married between '51 and '61. Trouble is, there does not appear to be a marriage for a George Vast between those years. Perhaps they never married? Any ideas anyone?
 
barrie,just been looking a a pic in the paper dated 1850 showing how the cuttings, canals etc were made, rope was attached to a barrow and the barrow was pulled up by a horse
 
Thanks mate. If its ok with you, I'll send a copy of that picture to my sister Pam in Canada.

Barrie.
 
Barrie this is a better pic of the Tring Railway Cutting Birmingham being dug out, date of this pic is 1839
 
Barrie I have the name Veness in my family tree. the variations of spelling is very wide including vaste.
 
robert said:
Barrie I have the name Veness in my family tree. the variations of spelling is very wide including vaste.

Robert. This is the family of my Brother-in-Law. They are the Hitchins (Hitchens) family. Amelia Vass was on the death cert of one of the Hitchins family as the person present at the death. This was in Nechells (Cromwell St)

Barrie.
 
Barrie,A bit more info for the above drawings
To start on building or constructing a canal.......................
Engineer started by pegging out his line, having in mind the object of moving the least amount of soil the shortest distance, and so balancing cutting and embankment that, when the job was done, no pits from were the soil had been dug, or spoil banks of excess material, should remain........
Topsoil had first to be removed for later return to the completed banks and neighbouring land. Digging was done by hand, using wheelbarrows on planks, and temporary horse tram roads for moving soil longer distances. In a deep cutting, where a man and his barrow had to be got up the sides, rings on the end of ropes could be slipped over the barrow's handles, and it could then be helped up by a horse at the top walking away. Should cutting be through clay or other watertight soil, no lining would be necessary; otherwise the canal bed must be lined or puddled.
From an account written in 1805
Puddle is a mass of earth reduced to a semi fluid state by working and chopping it about with a spade, while water just in the proper quantity is applied, until the mass is rendered homogeneous, and so much condensed, that water cannot afterwards pass through it, or but very slowly. The best puddling stuff is rather a lightish loam, with a mixture of coarse sand or fine gravel in it; very strong clay is unfit for it, on account of the great quantity of water which it will hold, and its disposition to shrink and crack as this escapes.
This puddle was then spread in layers over the bottom and sides of the canal excavation to a thickness of 18ins to 3ft depending on the porosity of the soil, and covered with a layer of ordinary soil or second quality clay about 18 ins thick. The canal then had to be filled with water before hot weather could damage the lining. Filling with water also enabled working boats to .be used to move soil and construction material from place to place.
Meanwhile brickworks had been set up locally to make bricks from local clay, or, in stone country, orders given to local quarries. Timber had been bought for lock gates and beams, and for building construction. Lock pits had been dug, and bricklayers, masons and carpenters would be at work on the lock chambers, on aqueducts or culverts to take the canal over streams, and bridges to carry roads or reconnect portions of farms divided by the cutting. Such accommodation bridges could be permanent brick or stone structures, but more often timber swing or lifting bridges in various designs.
 
Super pictures Cromwell, 2500 miles of sweat like that. I wonder how much material was moved. Part of the system is on existing rivers. Say the canals were 30 feet wide x about 7 feet deep x about 2000 miles UK as a whole.

                      30 x 7 x 2000 x 5280 = 2,217,600,000 cu ft.

A cu.ft. of water weighs 62.4 lb. since dirt sinks in water, say the dirt is about 100 lb/ cu.ft.

                 Tonage of dirt removed = 2,217,600,000 x 100 / 2240 = 99,000,000 Tons

Ouch. Wonder what they thought after the first 100 yds. and realised how much further they had to go. Of course it was constructed over a number of years, but still..
The basic canal would not have been as large a scale as shown in the pictures though but the length would be much more.
 
Rupert if I just state the canal cost of construction per mile by 1790 average cost was about £3500
in 1816 Worcester & Birmingham Canal cost £20.333 per mile............it cost about £20million to build 2.600miles of canal in England and Wales between 1760 and 1850
The canal companies got their money back by charging for every ton that was carried on the Canal
and each boat was marked at water level and 2 ton weights added and lines drawn so if a boat was loaded with coal they could see exact how much toll had to be paid........
In 1790 a boat carrying 18 tons of coal 11 miles to Birmingham was charged penny and a half  per ton per mile.........and all companies charged different prices for different products
 
Just read the weight of the great pyramid...a mere 6,500,000 tons. Gosh  instead of playing with boats and water they could have built 17 pyramids.
Daft sods!

"Look ere Mustarfa, you may have pyramids but we have T cuts all over and boat hoss Bingly".....
 
I think the canals were responsible for the demise of the old watermills, as any miller who grumbled about his water rights the canal companies bought them out and used the water to top the locks up
Got a feeling this thread is going off topic or will have to be merged
 
Yes canals do follow rivers and streams roughly but it seems to me there were reservoirs made around with reserves. Until steam and gas took over the watermills would have had to be kept going. They would have probably been complimentary, surely the canals would have been used to transport product to ports and market. Finally of course it was the canals that became more or less redundant, for a while anyway.
 
In the canal age, waterpower drove mills and factories of all kinds and the canal companies were in a constant battle in the struggle to get water and were restricted by Government acts from taking water and got round them by buying the miller out .
Only when works went over to coal did the pressure cease and if you look through the old records of flourmills they were bought out by the canal companies
In Huddersfield the canal companies had a constant battle between the powerful industrialists who both depended on the water to keep going
 
Well you have to eat Cromwell so enough capacity would have had to be maintained. A balancing act. I seem to have read somewhere that stocks and shares were traded in canal enterprises. They were the tulip craze of their day. Incidentally I have started on the design of a water mill using modern methods. Loisand's enthusiasm has got me going. The same way that canals have had a renaissance perhaps water mills can. Designing the wheel itself is probably the hardest part.
 
The canals were built using stocks and shares fortunes made and lost.....I have some old books I have just got of the loft which give detailed dealings......and as for designing water mills the latest design to replace locks are to slide the boats down a tube of water horizontally in a water pod......Rupert I am always joting things down to find a way of improving them........
even the lock windlass was been improved with a device like a battery drill .....just pull the trigger
 
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