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Matthews wedding

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Hi, Could someone possibly look up details of the following wedding at St. Martin's.

22nd January 1832 - marriage of William Matthews and Elizabeth Sarsons.

There are two entries in the IGI records, one lists Elizabeth's name as Sarsons, the other lists the name as Larsons.

Thanks for any help.

Richard.
 
hi richard, i can see what the problem is on the marriage record. it could be either L or S but when i compare it to other writing on the previous record i am almost certain it is S.

the info on the record shows that william matthews was a widower and elizabeth was spinster. they were both "of this parish".
witnesses were william williams and ann hanley? or harley?
 
Hi Shera,

Thanks for the prompt reply.
A fellow researcher found a record for the baptism of John Matthews at St. Andrews Church, Leyland, Lancashire, son of William and Elizabeth Matthews, in the Lancashire On-Line Parish Clerk and confirmed it on the Lancashire BMD website. This site gave the mother's maiden name as Sarcens so this would fit in with the Birmingham record for Sarsons.

I was hoping the record from Birmingham would give William's occupation as our William was a bricklayer. I presume the early records didn't give occupations or the name of the couples parents. The mention of William being a widower is interesting as I have a record of a marriage at St. Mary's Manchester for William Matthews, batchelor and Eleanor Dyer, spinster on 9th August 1824, William's occupation is bricklayer. This could be a first marriage for the Birmingham William.

Thanks again.

Richard.
 
im glad it helps. no there was no other info on the record. if there was a baptism at st. martins, that would give fathers occ and abode, but before 1837 there was nothing extra on the marriages.
 
Hi Shera

Just had a look on the Hugh Wallis site for St. Martin's and found a record for a baptism.

John George Matthews born 8th Oct 1841, baptised 4th October 1842 at St Martin's, son of William and Elizabeth Matthews. Maybe you could check this record if it's not too much trouble.

Thanks.

Richard.
 
the dates are correct. the extra info is that their abode was banbury street, and fathers occ. was cordwainer
 
Thanks Shera,

As the Matthews family we are trying to trace were bricklayers, it seems as if the baptismal record is for a differant family and possibly the marriage record could refer to the this other family. Saying that, the two maiden names for Elizabeth, Sarsons in Birmingham and Sarcens in Lancashire seem to be too much of a coincidence. It is hardly a common surname.

back to the drawing board.

Richard.
 
i agree with you that the sarsons name is not common so i still think you may be right with the marriages. do you know if william stayed in bham afterwards? do you know some of the childrens names? i expect it is a hard family to research, but i did check the baptisms at st. martins for just after the marriage and nothing came up so i was wondering if they remained in bham.
 
Hi, the family we are looking at settled in Lancashire. William was a partner in a Brickworks, at Leyland, Lancashre, with Henry Holland. The partnership was dissolved in 1847 but we don't know when he arrived in Lancashire. From the BMD records it looks as if they had a son John born in 1843 in Leyland, then there is a record in the 1851 census showing Elizabeth Matthews, widow and son John Matthews living in Manchester. The record shows that Elizabeth Matthews was born in Birmingham and this and the Sarsons name are the connections to St. Martin's.

Since your last post, I have found a record in the 1851 census for William and Elizabeth Matthews living in Worcester with their son John George Matthews. William is shown as a maker of Ladies Shoes so this is consistant with the baptismal record you checked. His age is 35 so this William could not have got married in January 1832 so we are definately talking of two Williams, one maybe born about 1810, a bricklayer and married in 1832 at St Martin's and then a second born 1816, a shoemaker who had a son John George Matthews in 1841.

Richard.
 
i presume you have seen the 1841 census in leyland lancs where elizabeth matthews aged 30yrs is living with henry holland and family
 
Yes this is the record which started the search for the Matthews family. We have a 1841 census record for a William Matthews, age 40, at Thornton, Fleetwood, Lancashire. It shows him as a builder so this could be Elizabeth's husband. Potentially he would be the right age to have married Eleanor Dyer in 1824 at Manchester, showing an occupation as Bricklayer, then been widowed and subsequently married Elizabeth Sarsons at Birmingham in 1832 and shown as a widower.

If this scenario is correct, then there is still the period from the wedding in 1832 to the birth of John in 1841. By the standards then, I would think that it would have been a long time for the first child of the marriage. So far I have not found any other possible births/baptisms for this family.

Richard.
 
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