I ask because a peripheral relative by marriage died aged 21 in 1849 and the death notice in the Leamington Spa Courier of August 4 1849 just said "DIED... at the Lozells, Handsworth, Robert Abbotts Lingard". I wondered if this meant there was an institution, eg mental hospital, named The Lozells - but I can't find one by googling. Anyone, please?
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Lozells Institution and The Lozells
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MWS
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Searching for 'The Lozells' 1840s newspapers it seems there may well have been.
23rd April 1849 - "...exhibition this season will held in the Lozells Institution Room..."
There are other mentions mostly associated with the Handsworth and Lozells Horticulture Society.
Alternatively it seems it could just have been the way people spoke of Lozells.
6 Aug 1849 - "...boundaries extended to non-corparate parts of Balsall Heath, the Lozells, Aston Manor, and part of Handsworth..."
Again there are other mentions in a similar vein.
23rd April 1849 - "...exhibition this season will held in the Lozells Institution Room..."
There are other mentions mostly associated with the Handsworth and Lozells Horticulture Society.
Alternatively it seems it could just have been the way people spoke of Lozells.
6 Aug 1849 - "...boundaries extended to non-corparate parts of Balsall Heath, the Lozells, Aston Manor, and part of Handsworth..."
Again there are other mentions in a similar vein.
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Thank you. It does rather suggest, as you conclude, that "it could just have been the way people spoke of Lozells", given the example you quote from the same month as my Leamington Spa Courier quote. But I'll just have more of a look for "the Lozells Institution Room" (again, same month), so thank you again.
hello mgray although i have have studied lozells for over 10 years now as its my necko of the woods so far i have not come across a lozells institution as such but of course that does not mean to say that there was not one but if there is enough interest you could order the death certificate which hopefully would give you a bit more information...all the best
lyn
lyn
Yes, I appreciate that I could order the death certificate, but as I said, he was rather on the periphery of my family, and I have to limit my applications for birth marriage & death certificates to people more directly linked: otherwise it would get far too expensive. But thank you for your response.
Michael_Ingram
gone but not forgotten
Didn’t there used to be a pub in Lozells Road (which of course leads into Handsworth) called The Lozells, or more fully, The Lozells Inn?
I wonder if this was the Institution referred to ? Viv.
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Aston Church Institution Villa St Lozells
The sketch by Rev LN Walters was being sold in aid of the Institution. In 1967 someone wrote to the newspaper doubting it was ever built. But according to the 1846 advert it does appear to have existed. Viv.
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yes i agree sparks...as it was a very early burial i think the general area of lozells would be recorded...
lyn
“The Lozells” seems to be a location, as consistently shown in these adverts of the 1830s and 1840s. The location came within the parish of Handsworth at that time. Viv.
Appreciate if someone could locate the Lozells Institute on a map please around 1840/1850 if possible. It may have been opposite the Villa Cross Inn/Tavern, so possibly around the Villa Road/Lozells Road/Heathfield Road area. Many thanks.
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Thanks Janice. Suspected it might be difficult to locate. Samuel Horne of the Villa Cross Inn in 1849 seems to have promoted Handsworth Horticultural meetings at the Lozells Institution and the Institution was supposed to be opposite the Inn.
Someone else asked a related question in 2020 so I have merged my thread with the earlier one as there are relevant points made. The original query was more related to the definition of 'The Lozells' but 'the/an Institution' comes up in discussion.
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From earlier posts there was an Aston Church Institution but on Villa Street, so I don't think it can have been that one.
Re Pedro's post #12, if it was called Lozells Institution Room, it may not have been a specifically named building but possibly it was part of some other premises.
Re Pedro's post #12, if it was called Lozells Institution Room, it may not have been a specifically named building but possibly it was part of some other premises.
Highly likelyJanice. The Methodist Chapel (George Street) seems to have had close links with the former Aston Villa school (later Villa Cross Inn) and it was right on the doorstep. So I think that's a good fit. Thanks.
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Oops, the George Street Wesleyan Chapel wasn't built until 1865 ! Perhaps there were rooms there before the Chapel was built ? Maybe the Sunday School room was there first ?
Understand, thanks Janice. I see Mike posted an extract from the Tithe map in post #16 but I can't work out what's on that site on George Street. We need a clearer copy of the map if its available.
The 1886 map you've posted is, in any case, very helpful in relation to the Aston Villa School/Aston Villa Inn discussions. It gives a really good, clear impression of the site.
The 1886 map you've posted is, in any case, very helpful in relation to the Aston Villa School/Aston Villa Inn discussions. It gives a really good, clear impression of the site.
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pjmburns
master brummie
I can't find a newspaper reference after 1850 so I wonder if it either ceased to exist or changed its name?
Interesting:
in 1850 the Handsworth and District Horticultural Society held their AGM at the Lozells Institution but in 1851it took place at the committee rooms of the Town Hall. Wonder why?
Interesting:
in 1850 the Handsworth and District Horticultural Society held their AGM at the Lozells Institution but in 1851it took place at the committee rooms of the Town Hall. Wonder why?