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Llewellyn Harriet
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Pomgolian
Kiwi Brummie
Re: Harriet Llewellyn
This may be her LLEWELLYN Harriet 30 Female Servant Warwickshire
at what looks like a school for young girls/Ladies... There are two assistants and nine young girls aged 3 years to 15 years... all living with
BUTLER Hannah F 85 Widow Warwickshire
BUTLER Hannah F 40 School Mistress Warwickshire
BUTLER Harriot F 15 Warwickshire
BUTLER Eliza Ann F 12 Warwickshire
AT: Sth Side Of Church Sts
Tamworth -Warwickshire
This may be her LLEWELLYN Harriet 30 Female Servant Warwickshire
at what looks like a school for young girls/Ladies... There are two assistants and nine young girls aged 3 years to 15 years... all living with
BUTLER Hannah F 85 Widow Warwickshire
BUTLER Hannah F 40 School Mistress Warwickshire
BUTLER Harriot F 15 Warwickshire
BUTLER Eliza Ann F 12 Warwickshire
AT: Sth Side Of Church Sts
Tamworth -Warwickshire
smtr
master brummie
Re: Harriet Llewellyn
Thanks Aidan and Pomgolian.
Aidan, I'm pretty sure she is Bham born as all the census' I have her in from 1851 state Bham but thanks for looking.
Pom - That looks pretty promising so I will have a look now although that would maker her dob abt 1811 - abt 16 years different?. Pity I'm no nearer to finding her parents
IGI doesn't throw up any relevant births either.
Thanks again
Suzanne
Thanks Aidan and Pomgolian.
Aidan, I'm pretty sure she is Bham born as all the census' I have her in from 1851 state Bham but thanks for looking.
Pom - That looks pretty promising so I will have a look now although that would maker her dob abt 1811 - abt 16 years different?. Pity I'm no nearer to finding her parents
IGI doesn't throw up any relevant births either.Thanks again
Suzanne
Aidan
master brummie
Re: Harriet Llewellyn
Is there any other clues in the later Census or M/Ds? Did she have any Llewellyn siblings, visitors or witnesses, have you managed to find the M/D certs (marriage should give her age, fathers name and occupation with luck and is probably the key document to get to move from the known to the unknown)
Is there any other clues in the later Census or M/Ds? Did she have any Llewellyn siblings, visitors or witnesses, have you managed to find the M/D certs (marriage should give her age, fathers name and occupation with luck and is probably the key document to get to move from the known to the unknown)
Aidan
master brummie
Re: Harriet Llewellyn
The only other things I could find given the info:
If the 1851C you are referring to shows her as a Button Maker in Derby, then there is a 1861C that is likely in No1 back of 48 New Summer St, Birmingham B19:
Thomas Field 33
Harriet Field 34
Ann Field 13
Charlotte Field 12
Caroline Field 10
Henry Field 7
Harriet Field 6
John Field 11 Mo
Can't see any obvious 1871C but you may like to try searching for each of the known children starting with unusual names - this can help find documents that are mistranscribed.
If she did not remarry, then there are a number of death dates poss, but most likely may be Jul-Sep 1877 in Aston
The only other things I could find given the info:
If the 1851C you are referring to shows her as a Button Maker in Derby, then there is a 1861C that is likely in No1 back of 48 New Summer St, Birmingham B19:
Thomas Field 33
Harriet Field 34
Ann Field 13
Charlotte Field 12
Caroline Field 10
Henry Field 7
Harriet Field 6
John Field 11 Mo
Can't see any obvious 1871C but you may like to try searching for each of the known children starting with unusual names - this can help find documents that are mistranscribed.
If she did not remarry, then there are a number of death dates poss, but most likely may be Jul-Sep 1877 in Aston
smtr
master brummie
Re: Harriet Llewellyn
Hi Adian
Yes you are correct with the 1851 census which I have. I also have her in 1861 and think her death is around 1877. Thomas Field her husband died c1869. I haven't pinpointed her in the 1871 though. In the 1871 census one of her daughters is now married, Mirinda Bough nee Field and living with her are the younger brothers and sisters so perhaps Harriet died before 1877.
Suzanne
Hi Adian
Yes you are correct with the 1851 census which I have. I also have her in 1861 and think her death is around 1877. Thomas Field her husband died c1869. I haven't pinpointed her in the 1871 though. In the 1871 census one of her daughters is now married, Mirinda Bough nee Field and living with her are the younger brothers and sisters so perhaps Harriet died before 1877.
Suzanne
smtr
master brummie
Re: Harriet Llewellyn
Hi
I have now received the marriage certificate for Harriet Llewellyn and Thomas Field 23.11.1845 St Luke's Church, Bham
Harriet was a widow and her father is Thomas Starkey a Sawyer
Thomas Field's father was Joseph Field a Bricklayer.
Harriet and Thomas's age is given as Full Age.
My problem now is that as she was a widow on her marriage to Thomas and going by her birth date from Census' abt 1826 bham, that would have made her around 17/18 on her second marriage? Surely this isn't full age? Also wouldn't she have been a little too young for a previous marriage?
To add to this I can't find a reasonable match in the 1841. Her address at the time of marriage was Edgbaston Street and Thomas Field's address was Tamworth.
Any help/suggestions gratefully received
Suzanne
Hi
I have now received the marriage certificate for Harriet Llewellyn and Thomas Field 23.11.1845 St Luke's Church, Bham
Harriet was a widow and her father is Thomas Starkey a Sawyer
Thomas Field's father was Joseph Field a Bricklayer.
Harriet and Thomas's age is given as Full Age.
My problem now is that as she was a widow on her marriage to Thomas and going by her birth date from Census' abt 1826 bham, that would have made her around 17/18 on her second marriage? Surely this isn't full age? Also wouldn't she have been a little too young for a previous marriage?
To add to this I can't find a reasonable match in the 1841. Her address at the time of marriage was Edgbaston Street and Thomas Field's address was Tamworth.
Any help/suggestions gratefully received
Suzanne
Ray Barrett
GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN R.I.P.
Re: Harriet Llewellyn
Suzanne,
"Full age" was 21,but they often told porkys ( well mine did )
,also a widow at 17/18 is not un heard of,I have a gt.gt.gran who was a widow with 3 children at 21,and another who married two different blokes, in the same church,and each time she gave spinster as her status.
Suzanne,
"Full age" was 21,but they often told porkys ( well mine did )
,also a widow at 17/18 is not un heard of,I have a gt.gt.gran who was a widow with 3 children at 21,and another who married two different blokes, in the same church,and each time she gave spinster as her status.
Aidan
master brummie
Re: Harriet Llewellyn
There is a Harriet Starkie baptised 24 Mar 1811 to Thomas & Anne in Tamworth that might be relevant
https://pilot.familysearch.org/reco...=recordimage&c=fs:1473014&r=r_874310790&pn=p1
There is a Harriet Starkie baptised 24 Mar 1811 to Thomas & Anne in Tamworth that might be relevant
https://pilot.familysearch.org/reco...=recordimage&c=fs:1473014&r=r_874310790&pn=p1
smtr
master brummie
Re: Harriet Llewellyn
Witnesses on her marriage certificate were James & Charlotte Starkey, perhaps brother and sister or brother and sister in law?
Suzanne
Thanks Aidan I will look into that.
Witnesses on her marriage certificate were James & Charlotte Starkey, perhaps brother and sister or brother and sister in law?
Suzanne
Aidan
master brummie
Re: Harriet Llewellyn
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Harriet Fields
Name: Harriet Fields
Estimated birth year: abt 1812
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 67
District: Tamworth
County: Derbyshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 294
Is a possibility....
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Harriet Fields
Name: Harriet Fields
Estimated birth year: abt 1812
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 67
District: Tamworth
County: Derbyshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 294
Is a possibility....
Aidan
master brummie
Re: Harriet Llewellyn
1871 England Census about Harriett Field
Name: Harriett Field
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Tamworth, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Tamworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Tamworth
Town: Tamworth
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Tamworth
Sub-registration district: Tamworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 74
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Field 52
Harriett Field 60
Benjamin Petcher 77
Elizabeth Field 87
Maybe Tamworth????
Looks like she was born 1811 as a Starkie/Starkey, Married Someone Llewllyn between say 1830-1841 (when she appears as a Servant in Tamworth). He dies or they searate and she remarries 1845 as per your new certificate to Field, poss lies about age to appear younger. Moves back to Tamworth. Doesn't need to lie about age in 1871C and dies 1879.
James & Charlotte Starkey are likely to be siblings and may provide further clues
1871 England Census about Harriett Field
Name: Harriett Field
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Tamworth, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Tamworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Tamworth
Town: Tamworth
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Tamworth
Sub-registration district: Tamworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 74
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Field 52
Harriett Field 60
Benjamin Petcher 77
Elizabeth Field 87
Maybe Tamworth????
Looks like she was born 1811 as a Starkie/Starkey, Married Someone Llewllyn between say 1830-1841 (when she appears as a Servant in Tamworth). He dies or they searate and she remarries 1845 as per your new certificate to Field, poss lies about age to appear younger. Moves back to Tamworth. Doesn't need to lie about age in 1871C and dies 1879.
James & Charlotte Starkey are likely to be siblings and may provide further clues
smtr
master brummie
Re: Harriet Llewellyn
Ahh!!! Aidan I hope I haven't misled you with the reference for Thomas Field living in Tamworth at the time of marriage ?
Thomas Field was born in Bham and except for the Tamworth reference on marriage certif he is with Harriet in Bham except 1 census where they are in Derbyshire.
Then again I'm thinking that I may have to get one of their children's birth certificates. A thought is coming to me that maybe I have the wrong marriage certificate and the Thomas Field and Harriet Starkey/Llewellyn aren't my people?????
Oh no here we go again
Thanks for looking.
Suzanne
Ahh!!! Aidan I hope I haven't misled you with the reference for Thomas Field living in Tamworth at the time of marriage ?
Thomas Field was born in Bham and except for the Tamworth reference on marriage certif he is with Harriet in Bham except 1 census where they are in Derbyshire.
Then again I'm thinking that I may have to get one of their children's birth certificates. A thought is coming to me that maybe I have the wrong marriage certificate and the Thomas Field and Harriet Starkey/Llewellyn aren't my people?????
Oh no here we go again
Thanks for looking.
Suzanne