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Litherland

craiguito

craiguito

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Hello, my first posting here. Quite excited!
I'm working on my maternal grandmother's side: the Litherlands. She was Joan Rosenberg, daughter of Joseph Rosenberg(Sometimes spelt Rosenburg, a German or Austrian Jew who arrived here before WW1) and Ellen Litherland, born 1888. They married in September 1917. It's the Litherlands I am interested in - just when I think I'm on to something, something throws a spanner in the works, like a different date of birth or mis-spelling of a name.
ANyway, from what I gather, Ellen Litherland, born in Birmingham, was daughter of John Price Litherland (born Lichfield 1850) and Sarah Ann Doyle (born c1852). Ellen had many siblings - Thomas (born c1876) Lewis (c1878) Frederick (1881-1882) Emily (c1883) William (c1884) Henry (c1890). I know that John Price Litherland died aged 67, and was at one time in 1901 resident at the Tyn Y Coed convalescent home in Wales. They all lived in Birmingham, around the Aston, Hockley area. Anyway I was wondering if anyone else has any connection they could shed light on.
Many thanks

Craig
 
Welcome Craig,
I can see by the info that you have given that you have done quite a bit of research in to your family Litherland.
John is found in wales in 1901 and the rest of the family is in Birmingham(All Saints Road)
If you are worried that Ellen(called Nelly in 1901) appears to have been born in different years on different census do not let it concern you. the enumerators or the childs parents often got it wrong.So long as the rest of the data matches such as names of parents birthplaces and the names of all siblings it is nothing to worry about.

I see that on one census John Price Litherland was born Lichfield Worcs and then Lichfield Staffs.
Some of the enumerators had often had a little too much to drink.

John Price Litherland was actually born in Wall which is a village near to Lichfield.

If there is anything specific you wish to know please ask away.
We have a family of members here just eager to help.

Alberta.
 
Wow! FAst work. Thanks for the replies so far.
claire-brum71 - yes I think that's my John Price. According to the info I've seen the address is Royal Oak Inn.
ALberta, thanks for the speedy look-up. It's true it's hard to make connection when they can't even get the dates / ages right! There's also a Lewis H there somewhere but sometimes he's down as Lewis A - because the handwritten script makes the H look like an A
Ellen was called Nellie - I remember my nan saying so, and I even have a photograph (well, half a photo) and on the back is the remainder of a Xmas greeting from Joe (Rosenberg) and Nellie. I'd be interested to find out when Ellen died - I know she was quite young. Joe Rosenberg remarried in arounf 1948 to an Elenor (Nel) but I don't know anything about her, as my grandmother and she didn't get on, so didn't attend the wedding, and lost contact with her dad after that.
Families eh!
 
Right as it's correct I found this possible birth for Henry in 1806 along with possible siblings (note some are spelt Leatherland, I have found this a lot)

1. HENRY LITHERLAND - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 22 JUN 1806 Saint Mary, Lichfield, Stafford, England
2. JOHN LEATHERLAND - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 10 NOV 1799 Saint Mary, Lichfield, Stafford, England
3. FREDERIC LEATHERLAND - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 22 MAY 1804 Saint Mary, Lichfield, Stafford, England
4. ANN LITHERLAND - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 30 MAY 1810 Saint Mary, Lichfield, Stafford, England

Parents for the above are Timothy and Hannah, so going back these are the only Timothy Christenings I can find

1. TIMOTHY LITHERLAND - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 23 MAY 1777 Appleby Magna, Leicester, England

2. TIMOTHY LITHERLAND - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 06 FEB 1782 Packington, Leicester, England

3. Timothy Litherland - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 06 FEB 1782 Packington, Leicester, England

4. TIMOTHY LITHERLAND - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 25 FEB 1795 Shuttington, Warwick, England

5. Timothy Litherland - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Birth: 1796 , Stafford, England

My money is on Timothy 1777 as his age fits better with having a child born 1799, you will need to double check it as this is not my Line so i haven't got conclusive proof but if it is I can take you back further as i have Timothy 1777 in my Tree, Claire
 
John Price Litherland is on the 1851 census at an address Sandy Way,
The census entry before this address is Leomansley and the one after sandy way is Pipehill all on the outskirts of Lichfield
John was baptised 19th May 1850 in St Johns Wall parents Henry/Ann

Henry Litherland age 44 Publican
Ann age 38 wife
Richard 8
Frederick 5
Emma 3
Price age 1. says all born Lichfield.
 
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I have just found this info for Henry Litherland in 1861:
NameHenry Litherland Age 54
Estimated Year of Birth1807
Relationship to Head of Household HEAD
OccupationPUBLICAN & FARMER OF 60 ACRES EMPLOYING 2 MEN
Address'Royal Oak Inn'
DistrictLichfield, Lichfield
ParishAdministrative CountyStaffordshireB
irth PlaceLichfield
Birth CountySTAFFORDSHIRE
 
Timothy and Hannah Litherland on the 1841 census appear to be living in the same area as the other entries for Henry b. 1806.
1841 Timothy age 60 ,Farmer,not born in County
Hannah age 65 b. Staffs
Thomas age 32 born Staffs

In the 1851 census for Henry the next census entries taken are boat people on the Wryley and Essington Canal
so the Royal Oak must be near the canal.I wonder if it still exists.
 
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Hmm I wonder...

Found this for 1881, living at 32 Shakespear St, Birmingham
Louis LITHERLAND
Head
M
Male
25 ​
Lichfield, Stafford, England
Axletree Fitter (C/Mkr)
Emily LITHERLAND
Wife
M
Female
27 ​
Birmingham, Warwick, England
Dressmaker
Ada B. LITHERLAND
Daur

Female
1 ​
Birmingham, Warwick, England

Henry LITHERLAND
Father
M
Male
75 ​
Lichfield, Stafford, England
Retired Farmer
Ann LITHERLAND
Mother
M
Female
65 ​
Denbigh, Wales



There's also a record of death for a Henry Litherland from 1887, aged 80 (which would fit date of birth) in Bridgnorth. Wonder if it's the same one?
 
... there's also a death record for Timothy Litherland in 1847, but no mention of any ages on the record. If it was our Timothy, he'd be 66, which could be right
 
craiguito said:
Hmm I wonder...

Found this for 1881, living at 32 Shakespear St, Birmingham
Louis LITHERLAND
Head
M
Male
25 ​
Lichfield, Stafford, England
Axletree Fitter (C/Mkr)
Emily LITHERLAND
Wife
M
Female
27 ​
Birmingham, Warwick, England
Dressmaker
Ada B. LITHERLAND
Daur

Female
1 ​
Birmingham, Warwick, England

Henry LITHERLAND
Father
M
Male
75 ​
Lichfield, Stafford, England
Retired Farmer
Ann LITHERLAND
Mother
M
Female
65 ​
Denbigh, Wales



There's also a record of death for a Henry Litherland from 1887, aged 80 (which would fit date of birth) in Bridgnorth. Wonder if it's the same one?
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AdA Litherland was my Grandmother.
 
Just noticed this thread. Litherland is a name in my Uncle's tree on which I'm working. Thought I'd post this PDF in case some of them fit.
 
I've just found this thread as I googled Louis Litherland's job: axletree fitter (c/mkr) anyone know what the abbreviation stands for?
My relation, Emily Smith Allart married Louis in 1879. Yesterday I printed the censuses and found Arthur John, Ada B and Laura. More work to do!
 
claire-brum71 said:
Right as it's correct I found this possible birth for Henry in 1806 along with possible siblings (note some are spelt Leatherland, I have found this a lot)

1. HENRY LITHERLAND - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 22 JUN 1806 Saint Mary, Lichfield, Stafford, England
2. JOHN LEATHERLAND - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 10 NOV 1799 Saint Mary, Lichfield, Stafford, England
3. FREDERIC LEATHERLAND - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 22 MAY 1804 Saint Mary, Lichfield, Stafford, England
4. ANN LITHERLAND - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 30 MAY 1810 Saint Mary, Lichfield, Stafford, England

Parents for the above are Timothy and Hannah, so going back these are the only Timothy Christenings I can find

1. TIMOTHY LITHERLAND - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 23 MAY 1777 Appleby Magna, Leicester, England

2. TIMOTHY LITHERLAND - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 06 FEB 1782 Packington, Leicester, England

3. Timothy Litherland - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 06 FEB 1782 Packington, Leicester, England

4. TIMOTHY LITHERLAND - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 25 FEB 1795 Shuttington, Warwick, England

5. Timothy Litherland - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Birth: 1796 , Stafford, England

My money is on Timothy 1777 as his age fits better with having a child born 1799, you will need to double check it as this is not my Line so i haven't got conclusive proof but if it is I can take you back further as i have Timothy 1777 in my Tree, Claire
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My family is down the Timothy Litherland (Born: 1777) line, if anybody has worked out that they are related to him.
 
WelshBrummie03 said:
My family is down the Timothy Litherland (Born: 1777) line, if anybody has worked out that they are related to him.
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Hi there,
Have just come back to this thread 14 years after starting it! Have filled in a lot of gaps since then!
Timothy Litherland (1777) was my 4Xg grandfather. Would be interesting to see how you and I are related.
 
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