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Kirby/Mountney

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Is anyone researching the Kirby surname? Henry Kirby born circa. 1840 who married Elizabeth. Their children Henry, John, George. Elizabeth and Thomas. On Thomas' marriage certificate to Beatrice in 1903 Walter Layland Mountney was a witness.
 
Kirby Family

My father had a sister Emily born 1897 who married a Timothy Kirby, I have not done any research but know they lived in the Summer Lane, Aston area before moving to Kingstanding probably in the 1930s, they had about 6 children one name I have heard of is Veronica - any connection? Emily's maiden name was Wallace.
 
Kirby surname

Thank you for the info. Sylvia but that is all the information I have on the Kirby family. The address in 1881 for Henry was Gate Street, 2 Court 10 House. The same address was on his son Thomas' marriage certificate in 1903. If I should come across a Veronica or Timothy I will let you know.
Cheers. Grace
 
Hi there, I realise that this is a very old post and you were looking for information on the Kirby family but do you have any more information about Walter Layland Mountney? I believe Walter may be related to me but I'm not sure how. Walter was a soldier in the Royal Artillery in 1903 and had worked for the Birmingham Bus Coy, Nechells. I also know that he lived at 33 Johnstone Street, Nechells and his father was Thomas Mountney. If you ever did find or have any information on Walter Layland Mountney, I'd be really grateful if you could get in touch.

Thanks,

Kieran Layland Mountney.
 
Mordraneth said:
Hi there, I realise that this is a very old post and you were looking for information on the Kirby family but do you have any more information about Walter Layland Mountney? I believe Walter may be related to me but I'm not sure how. Walter was a soldier in the Royal Artillery in 1903 and had worked for the Birmingham Bus Coy, Nechells. I also know that he lived at 33 Johnstone Street, Nechells and his father was Thomas Mountney. If you ever did find or have any information on Walter Layland Mountney, I'd be really grateful if you could get in touch.

Thanks,

Kieran Layland Mountney.
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hi kieran and welcome...it is never to late to post on an old thread...hopefully given the info you have some of our keen members maybe able to help you

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There appear to be 3 Walter Layland Mountney's born in Bham, two of them sons of the other. One dies young, one appears to be your 2 x great grandfather and the other possibly your great grandfather. I assume you are the son of one of the 2 Alan's - cousins Lewis and Horace both marrying ladies with the surname Ellen.

Charles 1837, Walter Layland Mountney 1866, Walter Layland 1902, Lewis Layland 1925, Alan F

Charles 1837, Walter Layland Mountney 1866, Horace Charles 1898, Horace Charles 1927, Alan F
 
MWS said:
There appear to be 3 Walter Layland Mountney's born in Bham, two of them sons of the other. One dies young, one appears to be your 2 x great grandfather and the other possibly your great grandfather. I assume you are the son of one of the 2 Alan's - cousins Lewis and Horace both marrying ladies with the surname Ellen.

Charles 1837, Walter Layland Mountney 1866, Walter Layland 1902, Lewis Layland 1925, Alan F

Charles 1837, Walter Layland Mountney 1866, Horace Charles 1898, Horace Charles 1927, Alan F
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Hi MWS,

thanks for getting back to me.

You're spot on; my grandfathers' grandfather is Walter L and My grandfather's brother was also Walter L. There's also a Walter L down my grandfather's cousin's side, who married my Grandmother's sister and obviously, my grandfather married my grandmother.

There appears to be a fourth" Walter L born between 1884 and 1886, I can't account for.

The original poster seemed to be alluding to him because of how old he would have been as a witness to the Kirby marriage. I don't think any of "my Walter L's" would fit.

Cheers,

Kieran.
 
Possibly the Walter b1866. Can't see any others, Layland name came from Charles' wife Maria Layland.

On a side note it appears that a fourth cousin of your father married one of my cousins.
 
MWS said:
Possibly the Walter b1866. Can't see any others, Layland name came from Charles' wife Maria Layland.

On a side note it appears that a fourth cousin of your father married one of my cousins.
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Thanks but that Walter would have been too old. The Walter L, I'm looking for was 18 or 19, depending on which version of his military records you believe!

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This is from 1902, so it would fit with him being at a wedding in 1903. I just can't connect him to my family, even though he's got the same name as other Walter's in the family. He Father, Thomas, also lived a stone's throw from where my Great Grandfather Walter L lived. I've got an address of 48 Argyle Street and my family lived on Montague Street. He might not be related to me but it seems a bit of a coinsidence.

But I guess at least I've found someone related to me then! :D

Cheers,

Kieran.
 
Ok, a couple of slight confusions then. Unless you have other information then it just says Walter.

I think then it is Walter Dixon Mountney b1883 Aston. In 1901 he is living in Johnson St with his grandfather William, he is listed as a Haulier's Carter. He appears to have been the illegitimate son of one of William's daughters.

He would have been related to you, William Mountney would have been the brother of Charles. So Walter Dixon Mountney would have been a second cousin of your great grandfather I think.

The Walter Layland Mountney mentioned in the original post is still probably the one I mention b1866.
 
And with your other information I suspect his mother was Alice Mountney. After Walter's birth she married a Thomas Mountford and in 1901 was living on Argyle St with her husband and 5 daughters.
 
I think we might be getting a bit warmer! I think you're right, I might have been getting confused. I've looked back over the information I've got and I don't think we're actually looking for a Walter Layland, so he could indeed be Walter Dixon. As far as I'm aware too, Walter lived in Johnstone Street and it would be a bit of a coincidence for there to have been two Walter Mountney's living on the same road! I don't suppose you can see if Walter Dixon's father was Thomas Mountney of 48 Argyle Street, can you? If is father is Thomas, that confirms we've got our man.

Cheers!

Kieran.
 
As I said I think he was the illegitimate son of Alice Mountney. The Thomas probably coming from Alice's husband Thomas Mountford, who she married after Walter's birth.

Combining a step father's name with their own name is one of the little fudges that can occur with illegitimate children.

Also as mentioned Thomas & Alice Mountford were living in Argyle St in 1901. Walter is listed with his grandfather in both 1891 & 1901 but that doesn't mean he didn't live with them at other times.
 
It looks like Alice had 11 children with Thomas Mountford (not all survived) before she died in 1910. Thomas is with his married daughter in 1911 with 2 other children, living on Saltley Road. Their youngest child emigrated to Canada.

Can't see a marriage for Walter and I think he died in Yorkshire 1938.
 
That's great. Thank you so much for all this information. Do you know William's address when Walter was living with him? Also, any idea what took Walter to Yorkshire? The last information I have on Walter is that he's based oversea's and that's according to the 1911 Census.
 
Cook St in 1891 and Johnson St in 1901.

I see him in 1911 but he doesn't seem to be on the 1921 census, possibly still in the army? The first Yorkshire ER he might be on is 1924 but not certain that's him. No idea why he went there, could be any number of reasons - army, work...

Now think he may have been in Kent in 1921.
 
That would make sense if he was living with William in 1891 and 1901, then joined the army in 1902. I haven't got anymore military records after 1911 and I guess a lot could change between 1911and 1921.

I haven't got access to the Census myself but I can see that the Census had both Walter and William living at 33 Johnson Street in 1901, so it makes sense that they're related. Quick question, was it common for Grandchildren to live with their Grandparents early in the 20th century? My grandfather, Horace, lived with his grandfather, Walter and now we have Walter living with his grandfather William. They weren't that far away from each other either, living on Argyle Street.

Cheers,

Kieran.
 
Probably a lot more common than it is today - large families, not much money and living close to each other. On the 1901 census over 3500 people are listed as a grandchild to the head of the household in Aston, that's more than 1% of the population.

Censuses are a snapshot of a single day though so no way to know if it was a long term arrangement or just coincidence.

In 1891 William Mountney had 3 grandchildren with him - Walter and 2 grand daughters.
 
I see. Thanks for explaining. That makes a lot of sense.

I guess Alice and Thomas did have a lot of children and perhaps they couldn't afford to have all the children living with them or couldn't cope with them all living with them. It sounds like Walter was very lucky to have William.
 
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