Just wondering if this still exists. My grandmother lived at number 36. I have tried googling it but it looks like those houses might have been pulled down
Having a serious senior moment, somehow I have confused Cartland and Clifton. Well they both start with "C", both in Aston. Sorry!1901 census my great grand parents, John and Fanny Williams, lived 35,Cartland Rd, Aston, but in parliamentary division of Bordesley? Is this a different Cartland Rd?
Perhaps not as senile as I first thought! My GGrand dad had a shop in Clifton Rd., the Balsall Heath one, I remember visiting in early 1950's. Playing on google I think it was 321,(or nearby) Clifton Rd. By 1950 it would have been in the name of his son, Albert Williams, it was, if I remember mainly shoe repairs. Please can this be confirmed in a trade directory of the day?Having a serious senior moment, somehow I have confused Cartland and Clifton. Well they both start with "C", both in Aston. Sorry!
Listed as 324 Clifton Road Sparkbrook in Kelly's 1955.Perhaps not as senile as I first thought! My GGrand dad had a shop in Clifton Rd., the Balsall Heath one, I remember visiting in early 1950's. Playing on google I think it was 321,(or nearby) Clifton Rd. By 1950 it would have been in the name of his son, Albert Williams, it was, if I remember mainly shoe repairs. Please can this be confirmed in a trade directory of the day?
Thanks! So on the corner with Stoney Lane.
Not sure if it was on the corner although it seems likely, I haven't got access to a 1950s map with house numbers which shows this area, perhaps somebody else can confirm this please. On google street view it looks as though it might have been where the garage is now.Thanks! So on the corner with Stoney Lane.
The grocery shop on the corner seems "right". Thanks Mike and Brummie-lad. Second picture my ggdad John Williams and his wife Fanny and I assume their daughter Maggie, who had six brothers. Whereas I remember meeting all the brothers, three worked on GWR, one for BCT and as I said one, the youngest took over the shoe repair business I have no knowledge of the daughter after 1911 census, when she was 15, and there are a lot of Maggie Williams on Ancestry!
The grocery shop on the corner seems "right". Thanks Mike and Brummie-lad. Second picture my ggdad John Williams and his wife Fanny and I assume their daughter Maggie, who had six brothers. Whereas I remember meeting all the brothers, three worked on GWR, one for BCT and as I said one, the youngest took over the shoe repair business I have no knowledge of the daughter after 1911 census, when she was 15, and there are a lot of Maggie Williams on Ancestry!
I use to visit 31 Abbotsford in mid-late 1940's with my grand father which is when I met the brothers.ie my great uncles.She still appears to be single and living with parents in 1921 at 31 Abbotsford Road.
And she still seems to be listed there (Florence Margaret) on 1930 ER.
There's a couple of B'ham weddings in 1935 of a Florence M Williams,(groom Wager or Standley) which would fit with your findings, I guess I need to get marriage certs to see if they confirm. Thanks for your research, I never got past "Maggie" even knowing what church was likely to have held a Christening.There doesn't seem to be a single Florence Margaret/Maggie Williams in Bham on the 1939 register and she's not with the family on the 1935 ER. Which would seem to narrow the search down for her marriage or death but none of the Bham ones seem probable.
Mike, Just a thought if Cartland Rd. was part of Aston does this also apply to Clifton Rd. Balsall Heath, in which case there were two Clifton Rd in Aston!Only one Cartland Road, Bordesley was traditionally part of Aston
Birth cert ordered. Used "Free BDM" to search for details, easier to use than Ancestry in some ways.Did her brother Alfred marry in Monmouthshire (Chepstow) ? If so possible wider connections which would make it harder.
If it was me (and I was completely stuck) I'd buy her birth certificate first to learn her dob and search the 1939 register with that. At the least you'd be spending money on something that's certainly hers.
Well, I now have birth certificate, but no leap forward (as far as I can see). DOB 3/10/1895. Parents check out as hoped for. Birth in Kings Norton, 13, Kingsley Rd. Balsall Heath.There doesn't seem to be a single Florence Margaret/Maggie Williams in Bham on the 1939 register and she's not with the family on the 1935 ER. Which would seem to narrow the search down for her marriage or death but none of the Bham ones seem probable.
Searched the 1939 register for a Florence with the dob. There were 2 Florence M's but neither appear to be her unfortunately. Then tried a couple of years either side also, again nothing panned out.
Not as helpful as I'd hoped it would be.
Thanks to you both for looking. Even on formal documents she was known as "Maggie" but I still can't find her on 1939 census. I suppose she may have died after '30 ER and before 39 census.Snap - I did the same.