jelf William and elsie

[Astonian]

hi guys
i hope nobody minds me asking if it is possible a cenus look up for the following people as listed above
as this would have been my grand fathers brother
the year is 1939 ; address is 214 winson green rd birmingham as i was topld
also which end of the winsongrn rd it was please many thanks astonian;;

 

[sylviasayers]

Re: William and elsie jelf

Alan, the latest census available is 1911, perhaps someone can help with the electoral roll for 1939.

 

[lindyloo]

Re: William and elsie jelf

Hi Astonian, I don't have access to the Electoral Rolls but in Kelly's Directory for 1940, there is a William Jelf, coffee rooms listed and it was on the corner of Villiers Street, with a Congregational Church on the opposite side of the road. It looks to be the Foundry Road/Lodge Road end.
EDIT, just looked on googlemaps, the building is no longer there nor the Church ( I believe that is a car park now)
In 1940 next door to 214 was the C of E Temperance Society Mission House, which is still there.
Hope this helps a bit

 

[Astonian]

Re: William and elsie jelf

HI LIND
Many thanks again for your help and time as i know winson green area very well and villier sreet and the foundry rd very well indeed
infact i know it from one to the othwer end of the winson green and up to smethwick and the handsworth area very well indeed
as that was my territory for twenty yeas or more and i used to work for midlandscounties dairies for years way ; way back
i recall this coffee shop by that church ; i never knew it was one of grand fatheres brothers ; i think bill was the youngest of the boys only one girl ivy ; was ever and she never got married ;thanks again linds ; i am hopping some one may look up the electrol roll for that year ;
and tell me of any other relations living there ; [ brillient you are all super marios on this forum
long may the site continue ; have a nice day linds best wishes alan ;; astonian ;;

 

[smtr]

Re: William and elsie jelf

Alan

1939 - 214 Winson Green Road - William and Elsie May Jelf and they are both also listed in 1939 at 44a Loveday Street

Suzanne

 

[Astonian]

Re: William and elsie jelf

HI GOOD MORNING SUZANNE
many thank for your input on william jelf going by the report it must have ben his first investment
regarding haveing a shop and living in love day street i was wonering whether or not at that period time did they have any children to speak of
and i think mom said he only ever had one shop and he could not manage it so he sold up and never had another compared to
all his other brothers whom had and owned at thesame time in there life span a couple each ; and he apparently moved around the brum
and i think she said that this lady was of a jewish national origin ; because her name was goldby ; and i beleive it to be
a jewish nme ; [ well personaly i think it is i may be wrong ] any way many thanks again suzanne for your time and help ;
have your self a nice day best wishes as always alan ;; astonian;;

 

[ladylinda]

Re: William and elsie jelf

William Jelf was listed at Loveday Street 1935-1955, apart from in 1950 when Dennis and Marjorie Jelf (nee Parry) were listed there.
William and Elsie were also listed at 140 High Street Aston,which was next but one to the Barton Arms, from 1930-1939.
William,Elsie and Dennis Jelf were then listed at 27 Woodlands Farm Road,Bromford 1947-1960 with Raymond Jelf listed there in 1955.
Marjorie Jelf was listed with the Parry family at 37 College Rd,Erdington in 1955.
Have a good day Astonian!

 

[lindyloo]

Re: William and elsie jelf

Hi Astonian, The Birth records match with ladylinda's findings, although Elsie's surname has been transcribed differently at times.

Marriage: William Jelf to Elsie M Goldbey, 1923, 3rd quarter, Aston, Volume 6d 1138

Births:
William, 1924, 3rd quarter, Aston, Vol 6d Page 642. Mother, Goldby
Dennis, 1927, 3rd quarter, Birmingham N, Vol 6d Page 842, Mother Goldley
Raymond, 1934, 2nd quarter, Birmingham, Vol 6d Page 788, Mother, Goldby

 

[Astonian]

Re: William and elsie jelf

HI LINDY ;
Many thanks for the further information you have give me on what you have traced
we have william 1924 along side as mother goldby
so do i take it that she is the maried wife in her maiden name as taking his name as william jelf
and the other members of sibbling are her children ; at birth given her name to the children as golby ,s
so at ome time they the children changed there names to there father and became jelfs
so do you know whom williams mother was ;if thats not putting any strain on you ;
if its not possible to know not to worry all i can say a very big thank you to you ; for your hard and valuble time
in helping me to find out about the brother i never knew he had ; [ thats my grand fathers brother ]
best wishes and thanks a million alan astonian;;

 

[lindyloo]

Re: William and elsie jelf

Hi Astonian,

Sorry if the way I wrote the post caused some confusion.
The Birth records were recorded with the childrens mothers maiden name included from around 1911, which is why I included the Goldby/Goldley names.
The names werent always transcribed properly, mistakes were made but I firmly believe the Goldbey/Goldby and Goldley variations are really all the same person (as in Elsie Jelf nee Goldbey) and that all 3 boys were the children of William and Elsie Jelf.

So William Jelf 1924, Dennis Jelf 1927 and Raymond Jelf 1934 were all the children born to William and Elsie M JELF who married in1923.

Ladylindas Electoral roll information at post #7 shows Dennis and Raymond Jelf with parents William and Elsie but no son William.
I have just checked the Death Records and sadly it looks as if son William didnt survive long as there is a death recorded in the same quarter for a William Jelf aged 0. 3rd quarter, Aston, Vol 6d Page 273

 

[Astonian]

Re: William and elsie jelf

HI GOOD MORNING LINDY;
Many thanks for taking your time once again in helping me to rectify my mind and i think it was myself that
i was reading and misleading myself between the lines linds ;as i was so excited that you had given me some information about his brother ;but also my mothers cousins ;whom was dennis and raymond ;and to learn some think about them of there excistants
i beleive dennis died many years back now and i beleive raymond is still alive today ;which is still good news to me ;
lindy i cannot thank you enough for your valuable time you have given me ; [ thanks a million ]
i always look at your threads on the forum they are brillient
have a nice day best wishes alan ;; astonian