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jelf henry charles

Astonian

gone but not forgotten
hi guys;
i am looking for information on charles henry jelf
he was living in 169 tatbank rd oldbury
and he died on 27th january 1958
is it possible to find out from some-one was he marrid and did
he have any sibblings he was born the early 1900.s
and i beleive he had a booking busines down on alma street aston
during the early years along with a tea rooms, coffee shop.
once again i thank you for your valuable time
best wishes astonian ;;
 
Re: henry charles jelf

I am a little confused. Using Ancestry to look at the original ledger, I can't find the death record for a Henry Charles Jelf recorded anywhere in 1958. If he died in January 1958 he should be recorded in 1958.

I have found a Henry J Jelf aged 86 at death listed in 1/4 of 1958 and a Stephen, an Arthur and a Ruildolf all listed later in the year but no Henry Charles Jelf.

Can you tell us where you got the information you have given us from? Have you any other information such as a date of birth? Are you sure the names you have given us are the ones used to register his death?

Helen
 
Re: henry charles jelf

I have found a Charles Jelf reg birth Aston in 1896.

Found him too in 1901 census with his parents, Charles a general labourer aged 42, Ellen aged 31 (I think the original document says born in Evesham, handwriting difficult for me to read!) He has 2 younger brothers, George aged 3 yrs and Ernest 7 months and they were living in Lichfield Road

Do you think this is the person your looking for? If so I can send you more info.

Helen
 
Re: henry charles jelf

hi helen
many thanks for your valuable time in looking up this info
i would say yes to this info; because i do beleive they are from eversham
charles had a brother by the name of george , also he had a brother by the name
ernest whom i beleived to live in aston and george whom died what year i do not know was burrird in witton i beleive so putting these two things together
must be the charles you have discovered
so if you could please let me know any think ie ,date of death . whether he was married , or did he have sibblings or even may be whom was is mother
any think you could tell me helen ,i really appreciate and i will donate this week to the forum for your services and i cannot thank you enough
have a nice day ,andi look foreward to hearingfrom you did he live in tatbank rd
best wishes astonian ;;;
 
Re: henry charles jelf

In 1911 there is a Charles Jelf aged 52 (born Wadborough, Worcs - which is just east of the B4084 at Drakes Broughton) and wife Ellen aged 40 (born Barnt Green, Worcs).
They were at 10 Holly Buildings, Aston Lane, Aston, with sons Charles (age 15, a Pin Worker), George (age 13, a 'School Grader's errand boy'), Ernest, (age 10, at school) and Harold (aged 4). All four sons born Aston.

Map for Wadborough https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&...2.130748,-2.118645&spn=0.102426,0.220757&z=12

So, the Charles Helen found is the '15 year old' here, born Aston.
FreeBMD gives him as birth registered 2nd quarter 1897, Aston, volume 6d page 430
(Ages in census returns are often a few years out - I don't think it was that important for people to remember their age back thenm there being no retirement age or pensions.)

The Henry Charles Jelf that died aged 68 in January 1958 was born in West Bromwich 3rd quarter 1889. (volume 6b page 765).

As to which one lived in Tat Bank road, well....I'd guess the West Brom born one.
 
Re: henry charles jelf

Did a little deeper and hit paydirt!
The 'West Bromwich' one, in the 1911 census, is still living with his parents:

Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born:

JELF, WALTER HEAD MARRIED M 61 HORSEMAN GLOUCESTERSHIRE GLOURCESTER
JELF, JANE WIFE MARRIED 32 F 56 SHROPSHIRE BROSLEY
JELF, EMILY DAUGHTER SINGLE F 28 WORCESTERSHIRE OLDBURY
JELF, FRANK SON SINGLE M 22 TURNER FITTING SHOP WORCESTERSHIRE OLDBURY
JELF, HENRY SON SINGLE M 21 STORE KEEPER WORCESTERSHIRE OLDBURY
JELF, JOSEPH SON SINGLE M 19 TURNER FITTING SHOP WORCESTERSHIRE OLDBURY
JELF, SAMUEL SON SINGLE M 17 GROCERS SHOP ASSISTANT WORCESTERSHIRE OLDBURY
JELF, ADA DAUGHTER SINGLE F 14 TAILORESS WORCESTERSHIRE OLDBURY

and they lived at:

95 TAT BANK ROAD OLDBURY

The one you ask about is Henry, at 21 already a store keeper.

*cue trumpet fanfare!*
 
Re: henry charles jelf

The record of the death is on the original Ancestry records.

Henry C Jelf died January 1958 Oldbury age 68. ref. 9d 193.
 
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Re: henry charles jelf

hi lloyed and good morning to you /
many thanks for your most valuable time and indeed your most valuable information
i was completely astonished about the info; so charles was born just down the rd from me inthe village i will go to our local libary and see what they have on charles
regarding his address inthe village also i noticed that sam was a grocery asistant
in the grocery shop i suspect that was his fathers shop on the farm where they had twenty eight acres of land and a large shop down in wichford which is just abit
further on down the rd ada was on georges side of the family i met ada many year ago when i was a little lad she came to ernies funeral along side billy cotton
and frank i remember from the farm which was the cottage they had in honeybourne
you have given me some great information for me to cary on with
i was told by raymond that charles was the entrapanur of the jelfs
raymond being the oxford councillor whom was william .s son , i know as [ billy]
he as gone from strengh to strengh following the famly history
he left birminghan and done all what the other jelfs have done he even got
married in the church honey honey bourne where most if not all got married and burried there in the church yard
i have a letter from the young georgeie jelf whom is still alive in is eightys
whom i went and met in birmingham a couple of years ago whom mention that ada
and harold had died years ago and he could not tell me any think about the jelf
as he went to canada came back and turned isback on the jelfs when he got married
but it was found out that it was the other way around because of there party beleives was different to young george whom did stand in small heath elections
for many years but eventualy retired
sorry if i got carried away abit off the topic but getting back to charles that is fantascic info; lloyed you are one great big star , andi cannot thank you enough
as i have said to ellen because of this info; i will show my appreciateion
i will be makinga donation to the forum for your brilliant info ;
lloyed have a nice day ,and take care best wishes astonian ,;;;;;;
 
Re: henry charles jelf

Glad I can be of use, Astonian. I know how exciting it is to find links to my own family (found one just last night, after doing your search - my dad's youngest brother, who I couldn't find a birth registration for was registered under his mother's surname as she hadn't married her husband yet - and didn't till the second eldest was due!)
It's nice to find the things you believe or were told decades ago are true, and fascinating to find 'skeletons in the family cupboard'!
 
Re: henry charles jelf

Please to see lots of other s are on the trail too now.

Like I said yesterday, on the Ancestry version of the 1901 census I found Charles Jelf born 1859 (according to ancestry transcription in Wattborough Worcs) Living in Aston at Litchfield Street. [The handwriting on the original page is very difficult to make out the full entry in places. More of that later!)

His wife is given as Ellen born 1859 in Gresham, Worcs. (I think the transcriber has this wrong and that it says Evesham, see why later)

and his three sons Charles aged 5
George aged 3
Ernest 7 months.

I then found a Charles Jelf born 1896 reg 2/4 Aston Vol 6d page 398.
I also found a Charles Henry Jelf born 1894 reg Evesham 3/4 vol 6c page 296.

Astonian seemed to think there maybe an Evesham connection.

On free BMD I found a Marriage for a Charles Jelf married 2/41895 reg Birmingham vol 6d page 189. On the same page is listed an Ellen Driver so I think there is a good chance this is our couple.

If Charles Jelf was about 10 years older than his wife (as per 1901 census) I have found a birth for a Charles Jelf in 1859 reg 1/4 Pershore vol 6c page 371. (free BMD)

I have also found birth reg for an Ellen Driver in 1869 reg 4/4 Evesham vol 6c page 350a. (free BMD) I believe this fits the 1901 census.

Hope this is of use
Helen
 
Re: henry charles jelf

hi helen g
once again thank you for your hard work charls, george , ernie was brothers
and i think it was said by my mother that henry was the oldest then there was charles . then george senior then ernest , then william , and they are all eversham connected
they had lands in eversham and houses there as well,plus they came to birmingham and set up business,s in brum and had there shops with dwelings as well
they came from the old village of honeybourne and brettonford whichis still satueated with jelfs sibblings from bretonford and honey bourne some with the market gardens
by the way if you go back to the history of eversham in he 1700.s -1800,s
eversham was formerly known as gresham i cannot remember excact when they
dropped the letters from it and made it eversham, i don,t know this was before the big battle that took place downon the entry into eversham where in the history books
of today states that this big battle of round heads or the romans. i will have to check it out and it states the green hill road that takes you into eversham which goes down a hil on entry to the town centre states that the road with blood and it was i beleive
it was after that period the name changed
but getting back to charles oh and if you look at the record in our libary
it states that all the jelfs lived very close together and even about a mile apart from each other in those days in and around the villages.like wise when they came to birmingham they styed closed together with there shops and dwellings which also was with in a mile of each other and they never spoke to each other but they always
sold there shops to each other ,the last remaining cottage in honeybourne
which i remember and living in [thatch cottage ] with no electric and a water well for water was sold off by ernest jelf ,and that was around 1955 when victoria hinton
the wife of ernest died she was the business lady behind the scenes whom kept every think in check and she kept in short of money so when she died he quickly sold it to an out sider , because this cottage had been in the jelfs possession since
the 1700.s my mother was the only child to them and it was after he sold it did he tell her what he had done she was belistic to him he was a bounder of a man
and he broke her heart so i do know they are connected to eversham
they was connected to the church of cow honeybourbe they played a big part in that church there provisions to the church when they sold it of is all stored inthe abbey of eversham i did have a book written andcompiled by the villagers that went to print
of all the villagersduring and after the war years .it was a limited edition
i beleive there was so many printed andi have lost it
it was called the honeybourne millium which tells all about thejelfs involment
with the church and of course the cottage ivydene cottage
george became the star and the wealthy i have assertain his will when he died in
1935 he set up ernie and william in business , william faild ernie the rogue
built up and expandedand fel out with ivy andnever spoke in forty years
i will be going into worcester city today to see if they are any old maps of waddbourough and any named street the one in honeybourne the farm is still
there but the street name as changed i went into the old farm house and sat at the very same table in front of the old stone fire place and spoke with the owners
whom was a major jenning he had not changed any think of its orinional brick
work and i told him of my child hood there he got some sketching paper out
and asked me to draw what it was like around the farm and the lane
and what was the farm like i was going back intime and do you know it was like just yesterday he villagers the old habbitants remember them ernie victoria and of
course my mother playing as a child the kents family whom was also known
in brum had a little house and it was a little sweet shop they made that as a listed building because that was there as well with a plaque with there name onas well
also hariss,s bakelite mouldrs the owner came from there as well
they was on the flat at lodge rd hockley my father worked there for him as he knew my grand parents and my mother personaly
helen, i think i had better stop here i amwaffling on abit
so once again many thanks helen for your valuable information and your time ,
have a nice day best wishes astonian ;;
 
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