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James Norton & Elizabeth

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clarkie

Exiled Brummie
I have been searching for a marriage of James and Elizabeth for some considerable time. Their eldest son George was born in 1822 and was Baptised at St Philips. I had expected that they were married there but my cousin has searched between 1817-1823 without success.
James was born in Tettenhall in 1799 but moved to Birmingham. He married Elizabeth, who was born in Birmingham and was probably slightly older, I believe somewhere in the area of St. George District, on George's birth record 22/6/1822 James was noted as a Bricklayer of Walmer Lane, the continuation of New Town Row.

Can anyone help?
Clarkie
 
i suppose it couldnt be another norton/horton confusion. on igi there is a marriage of james horton to elizabeth hanson 29th aug 1822 walsall staffs. prob not but just one to have a look at.
 
i see now that george was born june 1822 so obviously the marriage i found isnt correct. back to the drawing board!
 
Hi Shera,
Thanks for trying, I think I checked all the IGI possibles. I'm quite used to the Horton/Norton bit because George's daughter Jane Norton married my Great Grandfather William Henry Orton. No I didn't miss the H and you are right to consider it and I would not discount it just yet.

Clarkie
 
Clarkie

I know it's not the marriage details you are after but do you have James' christening details?
Name:James Norton
Gender:Male
Birth Date:abt 1799
Christening Date:4 Jan 1799
Christening Place:Tettenhall, Staffordshire, England
Father's Name:John Norton
Mother's Name:Sarah

Suzanne
 
Hi Suzanne,
Thanks I have got those details and the family line back to 1500s Tettenhall, it was the move to Birmingham in the early 1800s up to 1822 where I am trying to fill the gap.
I have all of their children's birth details but I am lacking other details from 1820s to the 1851 census. ie James the builder Trade Directories/Directories for the family in St Georges district especially around Walmers Lane.

Thanks anyway.
Clarkie.
 
in wrightsons tri directory of bham 1818 these are listed - j. norton, plumber and glazier, jennins row. - charles norton, architect, crescent. - charles norton jun. builder, ann street. - norton, williams and co. lime wharf, crescent. - george norton, chair maker, digbeth.

and in wrightsons 1829-30 charles norton, builder and retail brewer, crescent. - charles norton, town surveyor, kingstone rd. - j. t. norton, plumber, glazier and painter, 19 jennens row. - norton, williams and co. lime merchants, crescent wharf. - william henry norton, builder, kingston row.
 
Shera said:
in wrightsons tri directory of bham 1818 these are listed - j. norton, plumber and glazier, jennins row. - charles norton, architect, crescent. - charles norton jun. builder, ann street. - norton, williams and co. lime wharf, crescent. - george norton, chair maker, digbeth.

and in wrightsons 1829-30 charles norton, builder and retail brewer, crescent. - charles norton, town surveyor, kingstone rd. - j. t. norton, plumber, glazier and painter, 19 jennens row. - norton, williams and co. lime merchants, crescent wharf. - william henry norton, builder, kingston row.
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Hi Shera,
The info you sent me started a chain reaction with my Norton Family. Charles one of the two above built the Crescent details below. His eldest son Josiah was in Partnership with Samuel de la Grange Williams as Norton & Williams (He was a Brummie). The partnership was dissolved in 1836 by Charlotte Norton Widow of Josiah.William Henry was the youngest son of Charles, he died before 1837, his Widow Mary Ann was publican at the Crescent Tavern on the 1841 census I believe. She was next door to John Norton, Lime Dealer, Crescent Bridge , who I believe was my Great x3 Grandfather............all above still to be verified, any comments gratefully received.

The Crescent
In 1790 an ambitious scheme had been begun between Cambridge Street and the canal which was to have consisted of a crescent of 23 stone-fronted houses, designed by John Rawsthorne and built by Charles Norton. Three years later only the flanking wings had been completed and the project was said to have failed because of the depression caused by the French wars. The five houses which remain, representing the east wing, were converted into the original Crescent Theatre, their rather plain stone facades having been preserved intact. In the 19th century this area rapidly became unsuitable for residential development owing to the concentration of industry along the canal. A half-derelict survival of its earlier phase is in Kingston Row, a street formerly crossing the canal.

NB Another version of the above detailed on a 1962 Street Map reads.

Charles Norton designed a crescent of houses in 1778.


Regards

Clarkie
 
Shera said:
i suppose it couldnt be another norton/horton confusion. on igi there is a marriage of james horton to elizabeth hanson 29th aug 1822 walsall staffs. prob not but just one to have a look at.
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Hi Shera,
I'm still on the trail of James Norton & Elizabeth, I'm back to your suggestion of 3 weeks ago. Although their son George was born in June 1822 he was not baptised at St Philips until September 1822. His baptism record states address as Walmer Lane, on the road to Walsall. In addition there was an Elizabeth Hanson baptised at St Philips on 1 Jan 1789, which would be about right. The other odd thing is that their other children Sarah 1824, James 1826 & Charles 1828 were all baptised St Philips on the same day 5 June 1830.

Have you any idea where the original of that IGI marriage record might be?

Clarkie
 
hi clarkie. ive had another look at that igi record. unfortunately it was a "submitted" entry, which was submitted by a member of the LDS church. if it was an "extracted" entry it would be taken from parish registers at the church, but submitted entries are less reliable.

i see what you mean about the birth being before the marriage but then the baptism after. could be. :rolleyes:
lots of parents took 3 or 4 of their children together to be baptised. im told it was usually because they could not afford to have days off work so did them all together.

you must be very proud of your family history. hope you can solve this puzzle.
 
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