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I am looking for the addresses for Ilsley gunsmiths and Ilsley coal merchants. I think the coal merchant business was in Aston somewhere. Can anyone help please?
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Thank you Colin B, I was thinking around 1908, when my late grandmother was born. She was an Ilsley, daughter of several generations of gunsmiths. She had several uncles, one of whom was a coal merchant.
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both from Kelly's 1908,
regarding gun business this trade was mainly run from their own homes (cottage industry) all bits and pieces were made in hundreds of homes and assembles and brought together for a named gun firm, as did Thomas ilsley he worked and lived in a back to back like most people in the gun trade
regarding gun business this trade was mainly run from their own homes (cottage industry) all bits and pieces were made in hundreds of homes and assembles and brought together for a named gun firm, as did Thomas ilsley he worked and lived in a back to back like most people in the gun trade
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Thank you very much, John. According to a decendant of the coal merchant brother, Ilsley shotguns are much sought after nowadays by collectors. Gran's father, and one of his brrothers, took their families to the London area during WW1, and they worked at, or supplied, Woolwich Arsenal. One of the brothers was killed in Aston during an air-raid in WW2, whilst carrying out his duties as a Fire Warden, I think in Church Lane.
Yes the isleys coal yard
you left half a crown deposit for the barrow when you bought your coal if you never had a push chair or your own barrow to carry your coal in and you got your money back when you returned with your barrow it was the old lady in charge whom always took the money down church lane aston
you left half a crown deposit for the barrow when you bought your coal if you never had a push chair or your own barrow to carry your coal in and you got your money back when you returned with your barrow it was the old lady in charge whom always took the money down church lane aston
On #10 in https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/birmingham-1969-73.23229/ there is a picture of the outside of the aston yard in church lane
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Jeremy Parker
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I am married to the granddaugther of Annie Maria Ilsley, the youngest sister of Henry R.S. Ilsley the coal merchant. Their parents were John George Ilsley (gun barrel filer) and Clara Jane Atkins. We are having problems establishing who was John George's parents, can anyone help? Also would like hear from any other Ilsley descendants.
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On the 1851 Census theres a James Ilsley b.1825 Birmingham, Occ. gun filer, wife Mary b.1828, son John b 1848 and daughter Matilda b. 1850. living in Harford Street. Not sure if they are yours though.
hi there
if you want to contact me by EM; Please do not hestitate;as i have alot of answers for you regarding the issleys family and more so the gun smiths
as i have alot of personal info; regarding this and long at last there is some-one else like me knows about the isleys and the gun making
we are going back afew years in history on these isleys wy back to eighteen hundres and coming forewardin years to 1900;s
i know personaly one of the granddaughters to the family and her line in he tree very well and the isleys made pistols
and yes the isleys are the same family some -one as just mentionion to you also i knew the isleys along with my mother and her family
whom are from the main connection whom married the isley and part reason how these to familys are connected and how they performed the bussiness
and it was a joint affair my mothers ancesters was very well known people for many years across the country ;
and as they both knew the gun trade and one was a barreler and my mothers ancesters finnance the bussiness
hence the isley and my mothers family set up and made the isleys pistols
one of the isleys married a ancesterof the wealthy farmer whom was one of my mothers ancesters and big land owner in worcestershire in the 18800s
the isley son married a jelf [ samuel jelf ; land owner and farmer and they moved to aston and set the coal merchants
and there adress was church lane aston birmingham 6 as it was in those, days and years later in the early 1900s they setup a shop in birming ham
in carrs lane early 1990s and these was there sibling of the jelfs whom was there until i think it was around the late fifyts until
or just beyound and then they started toclear the area i think ; but i am sure our mike on the forum as all the planns of the maps around carrs lane
for that period but these are definately the people you are wanting to know beleive me
because i have met the grand daughter of the isley in question ; and still see her often along with my daughter whom is a close friend to this later sue ;
and she is abit of a celebity oround the circuit along with my daughter whom are a team and they may be doing a programe on the BBC
my daughter as told me in in there planning days they have been informed by The bbc,whom are working it out at the moments
any way my friend i can produce the living flesh and blood to you if in doubt by there grand daughter she is getting on abit
but she is no doubt a star by loads of people i have known her fr years and when my daughter told her that her grand mother and its my mother ;and her dad
mom was jelf ; she said i think we have a family tree line and thats how it came about and she asked her if she could meet me
and as growing up i knew the coal merchants s i lived along the rd and went in every week and even mom said as a child she is my family connection
meaning to her ; but any way i have alot i can tell you which i do not have the space nor time to fill you in about the rest
but samuel jelf is the staring block of the isleys and jelfs gun bussiness yes they did start off in aston at home ; etc;
but any way my friend if you want to know more or even meet up please feel free to contact myself ; [ alan is my name ] astonian;;
have a nice day best wishes astonian ;;; alan;
if you want to contact me by EM; Please do not hestitate;as i have alot of answers for you regarding the issleys family and more so the gun smiths
as i have alot of personal info; regarding this and long at last there is some-one else like me knows about the isleys and the gun making
we are going back afew years in history on these isleys wy back to eighteen hundres and coming forewardin years to 1900;s
i know personaly one of the granddaughters to the family and her line in he tree very well and the isleys made pistols
and yes the isleys are the same family some -one as just mentionion to you also i knew the isleys along with my mother and her family
whom are from the main connection whom married the isley and part reason how these to familys are connected and how they performed the bussiness
and it was a joint affair my mothers ancesters was very well known people for many years across the country ;
and as they both knew the gun trade and one was a barreler and my mothers ancesters finnance the bussiness
hence the isley and my mothers family set up and made the isleys pistols
one of the isleys married a ancesterof the wealthy farmer whom was one of my mothers ancesters and big land owner in worcestershire in the 18800s
the isley son married a jelf [ samuel jelf ; land owner and farmer and they moved to aston and set the coal merchants
and there adress was church lane aston birmingham 6 as it was in those, days and years later in the early 1900s they setup a shop in birming ham
in carrs lane early 1990s and these was there sibling of the jelfs whom was there until i think it was around the late fifyts until
or just beyound and then they started toclear the area i think ; but i am sure our mike on the forum as all the planns of the maps around carrs lane
for that period but these are definately the people you are wanting to know beleive me
because i have met the grand daughter of the isley in question ; and still see her often along with my daughter whom is a close friend to this later sue ;
and she is abit of a celebity oround the circuit along with my daughter whom are a team and they may be doing a programe on the BBC
my daughter as told me in in there planning days they have been informed by The bbc,whom are working it out at the moments
any way my friend i can produce the living flesh and blood to you if in doubt by there grand daughter she is getting on abit
but she is no doubt a star by loads of people i have known her fr years and when my daughter told her that her grand mother and its my mother ;and her dad
mom was jelf ; she said i think we have a family tree line and thats how it came about and she asked her if she could meet me
and as growing up i knew the coal merchants s i lived along the rd and went in every week and even mom said as a child she is my family connection
meaning to her ; but any way i have alot i can tell you which i do not have the space nor time to fill you in about the rest
but samuel jelf is the staring block of the isleys and jelfs gun bussiness yes they did start off in aston at home ; etc;
but any way my friend if you want to know more or even meet up please feel free to contact myself ; [ alan is my name ] astonian;;
have a nice day best wishes astonian ;;; alan;
Jeremy Parker
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For Lynne Webb,Thank for your reply to my question re. John George Ilsley. It was the John Ilsley we were searching for. We are using the 'findmypast' website and were able to search the 1851 census details using the address you gave us. We found that the surname had been transcribed as Insley. We had tried most conbinations of the surname but not that one. Thanks again for your help.