• Welcome to this forum . We are a worldwide group with a common interest in Birmingham and its history. While here, please follow a few simple rules. We ask that you respect other members, thank those who have helped you and please keep your contributions on-topic with the thread.

    We do hope you enjoy your visit. BHF Admin Team

Identifying address assistance please

Shortie

Shortie

master brummie
I have three entries, a marriage certificate, a burial and a 1911 census form, all giving the same address, can someone identify where it was please? I have also seen the electoral register which gives another slant to it, and so I am rather puzzled.

1910 burial - Canal Cottages, Gravelly Hill, Birmingham
1911 census - Canal Cottages. Gravelly Hill - from this I am half assuming they may have been near Salford Bridge

1926 marriage - 2 Canal Cottages, Chester Street. Threw me entirely.

and on the Electoral Roll, John and Elizabeth Dutton living 2 Canal Cottages, Duddeston.

All the same family, I am presuming the same address, can anyone throw light on this please? I have an Alan Godfrey Map of Gravelly Hill, but have not got a clue where the cottages could be, and cannot find Chester Street

Shortie
 
That's what I thought, and it is near the canal, but seeing the burial is in Erdington ....... I did wonder if there had been two, and perhaps one re-named? I am just hoping someone can pop up with the information that will enable me to pinpoint where these cottages were. The husband worked on the canal.
 
Shortie said:
I have three entries, a marriage certificate, a burial and a 1911 census form, all giving the same address, can someone identify where it was please? I have also seen the electoral register which gives another slant to it, and so I am rather puzzled.

1910 burial - Canal Cottages, Gravelly Hill, Birmingham
1911 census - Canal Cottages. Gravelly Hill - from this I am half assuming they may have been near Salford Bridge

1926 marriage - 2 Canal Cottages, Chester Street. Threw me entirely.

and on the Electoral Roll, John and Elizabeth Dutton living 2 Canal Cottages, Duddeston.

All the same family, I am presuming the same address, can anyone throw light on this please? I have an Alan Godfrey Map of Gravelly Hill, but have not got a clue where the cottages could be, and cannot find Chester Street

Shortie
Click to expand...

I would think, in this context, that the mention of Gravelly Hill would mean that the relevant cottage was one of four which still exists on the Lichfield Rd. adjacent to Salford Bridge/River Tame and backing onto the Birmingham-Fazeley Canal HERE. Remember that Tyburn Road, AFAIK, wasn't built until after 1912, so Gravelly Hill would be a continuation of (the present) Lichfield Road. Not sure if these cottages would be for canal workers, the cottages have their 'backs' to the canal!

Reference to Canal Cottages, Duddeston could be anywhere in this locality (Grand Union Canal) with the lockkeepers cottage, if that was the family home (was the head of the household a waterway worker?), being adjacent to the lock, in Crawford St.

If I remember correctly, waterways workers' cottages were numbered out from the City (in the case of the B&F), I have friends that lived at (I think) 251/252 Canalside, in Curdworth, though not sure about numbering for the Grand Union Canal.

Anyway, that's my two penn'orth, dunno if I'm right or wrong, but makes sense to me !!

More: You *may* be able to get some information from the BCNS ( Birmingham Canal Navigation Society www.bcnsociety.co.uk ) depending on what archive material they hold.
 
Thanks Curly, this has been of some help at least. I cannot recognise those cottages looking at my map of 1902, as there are several groups of buildings all near to the canal. I shall get there in the end, I am sure, must take a closer look in person if I can. The one thing I am not sure of is the duddeston address, because duddeston meets this area, so I am wondering if in the intervening years maybe a boundary altered slightly - I did think it would be too odd indeed for there two addresses for the same family as " Canal Cottages, don't you? As far as Tyburn Road goes, yes, I realise the one we know now was not there in 1910 - it's not on my map of 1902, but in 1909, when Elizabeth Dutton was first widowed, the burial details give their address as 706 Tyburn Road. There must have been a road to the Tyburn, but again, I am a bit lost here. Maybe it's on another map. It's not hugely important in the great scheme of things, but this lady suffered a lot during 1901 - 1910 and I feel I have to know where she was living for some reason. The second husband, John Dutton was a canal dredger. I have jsut had an idea, I think I may be able to find out the nearest roads, so that will surely point me in the right direction? You have confirmed the salford Bridge thought anyway Curly, thanks for your input.

Shortie
 
Again, I don't know if it's significant but I think, that Tyburn Raod originally went from Bromford Lane to Kingsbury Road and the two 'ends' Gravelly Hill to Bromford and Kingsbury to Chester Roads were added later.

Click on the links in blue in my earlier post, for my thoughts on location.
 
Curly - Well out of curiosoty, I will look at that later, but I think I am getting nearer to a solution, using the 1901 census and also the electoral rolls. I shall report back tomorrow, but thanks for your help, you have started the ball rolling.

Shortie
 
Interestingly, two separate addresses are here, both as 2 Canal Cottage but in different places. For the first one at Gravelly Hill, I took the 1901 census and found John Dutton with his first wife. I then went backwards through the pages and also forwards, this cottage was certainly at Salford Bridge, no doubt about it and I think I have found them on the 1902 map. After than Elizabeth Dutton was living at Perry Well, which I have identified as somewhere along Moor Lane, Witton, but then on her son's marriage we have the address 2 Canal Cottages, Chester Street. I think in those days Chester Street was much longer than it is now. the Electoral Rolls lists on the same page, several Chester Street addresses, then 1 and 2 Canal Cottages and then 67 Chester Street. Further down the page is 45 Dartmouth Street, so that's reasonably easy to locate, not precisely maybe, but sufficient for my head to accept. I know I have the right Elizabeth Dutton as she has a daughter living with her, born in 1915 and married to a chap called Peters. I am now reasonably satisfied knowing just where she lived.

Shortie
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top