Henry Child, Pawnbroker

[RRJ]

I've tried unsuccessfully to find him using the search facility (Pawnbrokers) so throwing this one out to the learned members.

My G Grandmother Annie Child (b: abt 1880 ) Her parents Henry & Rosa Child (nee Farmer) All I have is they were both pawnbrokers
and resided in Court Lane. I don't know if they were owners or employees or if the business was located in Court Lane.

Of course I'm hoping for a family photo of them stood on the pavement in front of the shop with the brass balls above them but
seriously any clue/titbits would be very much appreciated. (big thumb)

 

[pjmburns]

Do you have them on the various censuses?

 

[brummy-lad]

This is the only Henry Child (pawnbroker) I can Find so far, in Kelly's 1892

 

[MWS]

1891 census Rosa is listed as a Pawnbroker (notem), address is listed as Pawnbroker's Shop, High St Erdington.

Possible mention of Rosa in the Warwickshire Herald 3 Mar 1887.

 

[brummy-lad]

This one from 1884

 

[brummy-lad]

This from 1883 shows both shops

 

[MWS]

Annie was born 1877, registered Sep qtr Aston.

 

[brummy-lad]

Do you have this census from 1881, Court Lane

 

[RRJ]

Do you have them on the various censuses?

Not that I recorded or can remember Janice, I had made a note of the above info on a spreadsheet but
that is all I have.

 

[mikejee]

Here is a list of Henrys dates from directories. Remember that year is publication year and probably refers to year before

Nothing in 1876

1878-1882 Henry Child, pawnbroker 56 New Town Row

1883 Henry Child, pawnbroker 56 New Town Row & High St Erdington

1884 Henry Child, pawnbroker 177 New Town row

1888-1892 Henry Child, pawnbroker, High St Erdington

1895-1899 Mrs Rose Child pawnbroker, High St Erdington

1900-1903 Mrs Rose Child pawnbroker, 14 Station road Erdington

1904 William H Smith pawnbroker, 14 station road erdington

 

[RRJ]

Do you have this census from 1881, Court Lane
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Thanks John, I don't remember seeing the info in that format, is 73 the house number?

 

[RRJ]

Here is a list of Henrys dates from directories. Remember that year is publication year and probably refers to year before

Nothing in 1876

1878-1882 Henry Child, pawnbroker 56 New Town Row

1883 Henry Child, pawnbroker 56 New Town Row & High St Erdington

1884 Henry Child, pawnbroker 177 New Town row

1888-1892 Henry Child, pawnbroker, High St Erdington

1895-1899 Mrs Rose Child pawnbroker, High St Erdington

1900-1903 Mrs Rose Child pawnbroker, 14 Station road Erdington

1904 William H Smith pawnbroker, 14 station road erdington

Excellent Mike, Also ties in nicely with Annie marrying my G Grandfather in 1904, he lived at 22 Station Rd Erdington.
Plus I see more than one shop at one point.

 

[mikejee]

I do not know if you have any information on earlier ancestors, but it seems that there was also a Thomas and a Mrs Mary Ann Child, pawnbrokers, who I would have thought probably related, (possibly parents?)

1823 Child T. pawnbroker, 46 Coleshill St

1829-1833 Thomas Child,pawnbroker, plater & manufacturer of plated ware, 37 Coleshill St

1839 Thomas Child pawnbroker & silversmith, Coleshill ?St

1841 Thomas Child pawnbroker 86 Coleshill St

1849-1862 Thomas Child ,pawnbroker, 45 Paradise St





1845 Mrs Child pawnbroker, 108 Lancaster St

1849-1862 Mrs May Ann Child pawnbroker, 108 Lancaster St

1867-1873 Child Mary Ann (Mrs) pawnbroker 108 Lancaster St

1876-1879 Child Mary Ann (Mrs) pawnbroker, 54 Albert St bordesley green

 

[pjmburns]

Thanks John, I don't remember seeing the info in that format, is 73 the house number?

73 will be the schedule number. On earlier censuses house numbers were not always recorded.

 

[RRJ]

Blimey Mike! No I haven't yet. I've been going through my male line (Johnson) and just quickly jotted down Annie's
details/parents etc with every intention of coming back to the Child line. An Ancestry link I found on Google tells me that
the Child family are fourth cousins of Benjamin Franklin!

 

[RRJ]

73 will be the schedule number. On earlier censuses house numbers were not always recorded.

Thank you Janice.

 

[brummy-lad]

On the 1891 census Rosa (pawnbroker) is listed as living at High Street, Erdington, No mention of Henry though.

 

[brummy-lad]

In 1901 @ 14 Station Road Erdington.

 

[Astoness]

On the 1891 census Rosa (pawnbroker) is listed as living at High Street, Erdington, No mention of Henry though.
View attachment 172542

rosa is down as widow so henry had died

lyn

 

[pjmburns]

There is a death registered in 1890 December quarter.
Aston District, Henry Child aged 59 - ages and DoB are often approximate. (He gave his age as 48 on 1881 census)

 

[RRJ]

Many thanks everyone. You've certainly expanded my knowledge of their shop locations and movements. (big thumb)

 

[MWS]

Blimey Mike! No I haven't yet. I've been going through my male line (Johnson) and just quickly jotted down Annie's
details/parents etc with every intention of coming back to the Child line. An Ancestry link I found on Google tells me that
the Child family are fourth cousins of Benjamin Franklin!

Following from Mike's info...

Thomas Child and Mary Ann (nee Baker) did have a son Henry and he is listed on Lancaster St as a pawnbroker on the 1861 census with his widowed mother (the same), brother and daughter from his first marriage.

The age doesn't exactly match the later censuses and there are other Henry Childs born around the same time, so would need more details (from marriage maybe) to be sure.

The Mary Ann Child of Albert St is possibly the widow of above Henry's brother Charles.

 

[RRJ]

Many thanks for the pointers @MWS I don't have an open ended FMP subscription, just grab a months worth when
time/finances allow to research a family line.
I hear Kelly's mentioned a lot on here. Of course I've googled it to see if it's free or subscription online to search
but am drawing a blank. Is there a direct link?.

 

[mikejee]

Kellys published a series of directories from about the 1880s. They took over from what were previously called Post Office Directories. Other directories are also sometimes available. A few are available online and freely downloadable at https://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/digital/collection/p16445coll4. Many others are avilable either to buy or consult for a fee online sites, the major one for the midlands being https://www.midlandshistoricaldata.org/. Some are not available at except in libraries.

 

[RRJ]

Many thanks for the explanation and links Mike.

 

[pjmburns]

Many thanks for the pointers @MWS I don't have an open ended FMP subscription, just grab a months worth when
time/finances allow to research a family line.
I hear Kelly's mentioned a lot on here. Of course I've googled it to see if it's free or subscription online to search
but am drawing a blank. Is there a direct link?.

There are some editions on Ancestry - again you can dip in and put for 1 months subscription. No idea about FMP as seldom use it.

 

[MWS]

Many thanks for the pointers @MWS I don't have an open ended FMP subscription, just grab a months worth when
time/finances allow to research a family line.

Familysearch is free (you have to register) and whilst not as extensive as Ancestry or findmypast, it's pretty good...

FamilySearch.org

Discover your family history. Explore the world’s largest collection of free family trees, genealogy records and resources.

www.familysearch.org

 

[RRJ]

Familysearch is free (you have to register) and whilst not as extensive as Ancestry or findmypast, it's pretty good...

FamilySearch.org

Discover your family history. Explore the world’s largest collection of free family trees, genealogy records and resources.

www.familysearch.org

Thanks @MWS I'll have a gander.

 

[MWS]

I see that there is a Mary Ann Childs (likely to be Child) of the right age listed as a boarder with Leon & Annie in 1921, so a possible further connection to the Mary Ann mentioned previously.