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Ewan

master brummie
I have the 2 following individuals on the 1861 census is there a brave person who would like to look at the census information please and tell me whether they think they are the same individuals on the following censuses?

1861
RG9 2218 46 1 (Tanworth)

Thomas Cox born about 1838 Aston
William Cox born about 1840 Aston

Occupations for both of them is manufacturer of umbrellas and Horn and Bone Buttons.


1871
RG10 3137 124 37
William Cox Head M 31 Manufacturer in Steel and Brass employing 500 hands
Ann Wife M 29 b Birmingham
George A Son 4 b Birmingham
Walter M Son 3 b Birmingham
Lucy Dau 1 b Birmingham
Martha Sambrook Servant Un 28 Cook B. Oxford
Eliza Highway Servant Un 20 Housemaid B. Warks. Hatton
Jane " Servant Un 27 Nurse B. Salop Shrewsbury

1881
RG11 3018 126 5 (Bordesley)
William Cox head M 41 Steel manufacturer Captain 1st WR Volunteers Aston Warwicks
Annie Cox Cox (yes 2x Cox) wife 39 bicknell Warwicks
George Arthur son 14 Aston Warwicks
Lucy daughter 11 Aston
Laurence son 8 Aston
Eliza neale Cook 20 Aston
may Ann Over Hill 29 Housemaid Walsall Sraffs


1891
RG12 2350 119 7
William Cox Head m 51 Colonel 1st Volunteer battn Royal Warwicks
Umberella Furniture manufacturer
Anne C wife 49 Bickenhill warwicks
george A son 24 Architect Birmingham
Walter M son 23 medical student Birmingham
Lucy daughter 21 Birmingham
Lawrence son 18 manufacturer's clerk Birmingham
Mary A Westen 26 Cook Cheadle Staffs
Clara Edgington 17 Housemaid Birmingham


1871
RG10 3078 4 6
Thomas Cox head M 33 Manufacturer birmingham
maryAnn wife 29 London
Thomas son 7 Birmingham
Florence A daughter 4 Worcester
William F son 4 mths Worcester
Mary lilly? serv u 30 Cook Ireland
jane hackwell serv U 23 Nurse domestic Birmingham

1881
RG11 2946 6 6
Thomas Cox head M 43 manufacturer Aston Nr Birmingham Waricks
Marian wife 39 London
Thomas son 17 Apprentice Birmingham
William son 10 scholar Moseley Worcester
Frank son 5 KingsHeath
harold son 3 Kingsheath
Amelia marshall serv U 22 Cook Upton
Susan Seedolld? serv U 20 House maid Brownhills Staffs

1891
RG12 2463 85 38
Thomas Cox head M 53 Umbrella Furniture manufacturer Birmingham
marian wife 47 London
James C son U 22 managing Clerk Moseley Worcesters
Lizie Harris serv U 19 cook Warwicks
Martha Styles serv U 17 Housemaid Birmigham


1901
RG13 2921 98 11
Thomas Cox head M 63 gentleman Birmingham
Marian wife 57 London
Thomas jnr son U 37 Manufacturer Employer Birmingham
James C son U 32 metal Refiner employer Kings Norton
Frank S son U 25 Chartered Accountant (own a/c) Kings Norton
Harold C son U 23 Coal merchant employer Kings Norton
Alice Tunney serv U 26 cook Bromsgrove
Rachel Ward serv 36 Bonsall Derbys

Any comments to help decide warmly welcomed.
Ewan
 
I wish i could help,it looks as if you have a job on there Ewan,
I see you have put Tanworth on there, I live in Redditch not to far away from Tanworth,it is a small village if you don,t know it, not a very big one either but they all have parish records..good luck with your quest.
regards dereklcg.
 
Thanks derecklcg for your comment, I do have parish records of this family but cannot see how they would confirm whether the Thomas and the William Cox are the same ones as I have mentioned in the 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901 censuses.
Ewan
 
Can tell you that William Cox married Ann Cox Nossiter,Solihull ~Sept 1864
ref. 6d 646 she was born in Bickenhill in 1842. Marriage certificate will have info on Williams father.
 
well i think definitely YES. it seems they were already doing well in their profession in 1861 as it said ...manufacturer.. whereas normally it is just brass worker or umbrella maker, etc. the ages are also spot on.

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Thank you once again for your help shera, I will have to employ you as my genealogist (I certainly need one);)

It did look like it was the same individuals to me, but I really wanted a second opinion. Incidentally, shera, you kindly found the William and Thomas Cox for me on the 1851, don't know if you remember, they were at a school in Shoreham Sussex. On the 1861 the parents were living at another address while the 2 boys/men were living at another address with some of their siblings.

Thank you also Alberta for finding the marriage entry for a William Cox and an Ann. This is evidence that this is not my one and only family from Birmingham, the only thing I have on my ancestor is a marriage in 1877 and him on the 1881 and 1891 census with his wife and family.

Although this family have not turned out to be who I was looking for, it is a huge relief to have confirmed this. As their son was baptised without a middle name, my ancestor has a middle name as shown on census and marriage information, and I was not able to get my head around this fact that the son of this family (if it had been my ancestor) was baptised with just one name and then suddenly acquired a middle name, as was my ancestor.

Thank you both very much for your help.
Ewan
 
thanks ewan, your william and thomas cox certainly did well for themselves, obviously a very industrious family. i do remember finding them at the school in shoreham. have you tried to find any records from the school, that would be really interesting. it must have set them up for the future anyway. :)
 
Ewan said:
Although this family have not turned out to be who I was looking for, it is a huge relief to have confirmed this. As their son was baptised without a middle name, my ancestor has a middle name as shown on census and marriage information, and I was not able to get my head around this fact that the son of this family (if it had been my ancestor) was baptised with just one name and then suddenly acquired a middle name, as was my ancestor.

Thank you both very much for your help.
Ewan
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The William and Thomas Cox did do well for themselves, I have followed this family (parents and siblings) around on censuses also a sibling of the dad of William and Thomas Cox and the strange thing is they either died young before marrying, died young anyway or did not marry and lived into their 50s and 60s.

Due to the census information earlier on in this thread and your comments along with derecks I made a decision that this was not my family of Coxes, so I have not pursued the school in Shoreham route.

Thank you so much for your interest and help, as for me it is back to the little 'ole' drawing board.
Ewan
 
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