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Hammond Frederick (1915)

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Hello,

Could anyone give me any information on Frederick Hammond born 16th July 1915 at 53 Deakins Road, Hay Mills, Birmingham

He was born to Dorothy Hammond who lived at Ideal Cafe, Coventry Road, South Yardley Birmingham.

Frederick Hammond is my paternal grandfather and so far this is all i know from his birth certificate. If anyone knows any of the names or address please could they give me more information.

Kind Regards,

MissElaina
 
Looking at ancestry, his Mother's "maiden" name is Hammond so I don't think she was married...

Found a Dorothy Hammond born 1890 in Aston to a John and Annie.

Name:Dorothy HammondAge:9/12 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1890
Relation:Daughter Father's Name:John E
Mother's Name:AnnieGender:
FemaleWhere born:Birmingham, Warwickshire, EnglandCivil Parish:Aston Ecclesiastical parish:Holy Trinity Town:Bordesley

Annie Hammond30
Dorothy Hammond9/12
Estella Hammond6
Harold O Hammond7
John E Hammond30
Millicent Hammond5
Reginald E Hammond8
Maria Wright16
 
Re: Frederick Hammond (1915)

Dorothy's was the daughter of Ann Hammond. Her grand daughter is a good friend and lives on the Isle of Wight. I have been researching her family tree. My friends mother was either Gladys or Hilda Hammond (can't remember which one), Dorothy's sister. Ann's husband John Edward was a Shoemaker.
 
Re: Frederick Hammond (1915)

Hi
Do you know if Frederick Hammond had a brother Joseph Percy Hammond??

Joseph Percy Hammond was my grandfather and my father remembers an uncle Fred although no details about him. There is not a lot of my fathers family left now so there are little details we have about them so actually trying to trace the family tree is a little difficult on the Hammond side.

We know that my grandfather was brought up in the Yardley / Small Heath so there could be a connection.

Any ideas???
 
Re: Frederick Hammond (1915)

There is birth registration for Joseph Percy Hammond in 1910. Frederick's mother, Dorothy, was unmarried when Frederick was born in 1915. Joseph Percy does not appear on the 1911 census with Dorothy, she is living with her mother and sisters at the Ideal cafe on Coventry Road.

Any idea of Joseph Percy's mother's name?
 
Re: Frederick Hammond (1915)

Hi
Unfortunately there is noone left to ask and any documents are long gone. The whole family on my grandfathers side is very sketchy for some reason but on my grandmothers (his wifes) side it has been fairly easy to trace.

My fathers memory isnt what it used to be either so I only have snippits of information.

Heres what I do know:-

My grandfather was Joseph Percy Hammond. I have no idea when he was born but I would guess sometime between 1910 and 1920 as he was a prisoner of war in Germany during WW2 so he must have been at least 18 to go. We know he had brothers and possibly sisters. May father recalls an Uncle Fred and an Uncle Harry. He also remembers that his Uncle Harry had two sone and one of them went into the Navy. He also remembers that the family came from Yardley/Highgate but cannot remember where.

Joseph Hammond was married to Ivy Harrison (my grandmother) and they did live in Tanfield Road which is now in Stechford but beleive it was part of South Yardley back then. I also definately know that Joseph and Ivy had three children Sylvia (the eldest), George (my father b1939) and Valerie.

Because Joseph was a POW in WW2 the year my father was born he was actually brought up mainly by his grandfather on his mothers side which again is why any connections to the past are fairly hazy.

I guess the other thing is that although my father remembers an uncle Fred, was it actually an Uncle or just someone he called uncle who could perhaps have come from a brother of Dorothy?

My fathers name is George Joseph Reginald Hammond, the George was from his grandfather on his mothers side, the Joseph from his father and the Reginald from ??????

Sorry I dont have any further info but it is all a bit hazy and I cant find anything to help at the moment. As I do find out bits it does seem to jog my fathers memory so who knows......
 
Re: Frederick Hammond (1915)

I see, so there is a possible connection then:-

Dorothy had a brother called Reginald who looking at the beginning of this thread would have been born around 1882.

Reginald had a son called Joseph Percy (my grandfather) who could have been born in 1910. This would have made Reginald 28 when he was born which is fairly reasonable.

Dorothy had a son called Frederick who was born in 1915, so Joseph Percy and Frederick could have been cousins rather then brothers????

My father called George Joseph Reginald got his name from his own father and the names of both of his grandfathers.

All seems feasable and logical dont you think.
 
Re: Frederick Hammond (1915)

I am going to contact Fay this week-end to ask if she can remember anything about her mother's family. Fay is 82 but her memory is far better than mine. I'll get back to you with any information.
 
Re: Frederick Hammond (1915)

Hi
That would be great.
I will also check with dad over the weekend to see if it jogs his memory on anything.
I do have some pictures of Joseph Percy Hammond too so I will see if I can get those scanned in.
Thanks
Paul
 
Re: Frederick Hammond (1915)

I had a quick chat with Fay over the weekend (Fay is the daughter of Hilda Hammond). Dorothy never married but Fay does recall something about an child. Fay went to visit Dorothy in 1948. Fay's grandfathere had died and Dorothy's signature was required on documents. Apparently Fay only stayed for as long as it took to sign the documents. Dorothy was living in Southend at the time with a relative, but Fay does not know who the relative was. I wonder if your grandfather was bought up by another member of the family as there were four sisters and one brother.

I'm waiting on a letter from Fay.
 
Re: Frederick Hammond (1915)

Following the Hamond family, Annie (of the Ideal cafe) was married to John Edward Hammond. His father, Charles Hammond, was a Shoemaker. In 1891 Charles lived at The Hollies, Packhorse Lane, Hollywood. When Charles died in 1897 he left The Hollies to his son, John Edward.

It would appear that John Edward and Ann were separated as in 1911, Ann was living at the Ideal Cafe and John at 387b Coventry Road, with his housekeeper. When John died in 1948 he was living in Hall Green and left his house to the houskeeper (the same one who was with him in 1911). John's daughters inherited a cottage each that was on the estate in Packhorse Lane. However there was no mention of The Hollies in John's will, so I would like to try and find out if John sold the house. There are few older buildings in Packhorse Lane now, but it was suggested tha the kennels and cattery could have been The Hollies.

Any info. would be useful.
 
Re: Frederick Hammond (1915)

Hi
Having a quick chat with dad over the weekend we think that Reginald Hammond may have been his grandfather (my great grandfather).

That would mean that Frederick Hammond was Joseph Percy Hammonds cousin.

If Fay was Hilda's daughter, what relation was Hilda to Frederick Hammond???

Another thing that came up over the weekend is that when my father was younger he rode a pushbike from Birmingham to Southend with some friends and they did have relations in Southend.

It is more than a coincidence but just trying to establish where the link is between Fay etc.

In answer to your question it is possible that the family were none conventional for the time as there are a number of links missing. Even my own father cannot ever remember actually meeting his grandfather (Reginald) but he cant remember why.
 
Re: Frederick Hammond (1915)

I am working right now and do not have the family tree with me, but I can tell you that Fay's maiden name was Spence. Hilda Hammond married a Spence. Hilda's brother was Reginald. I'll send more details this evening when I am home. I am almost certain that there is a connection.
 
Re: Frederick Hammond (1915)

Hi
Thanks for your help.
It certainly looks like there is a connection as there are too many coincidences for there not to be.
I need to start drawing out a tree myself as I am just referring to bits of paper at the moment ;-)
I wont be home until late this evening but will log on when I do get home. I will keep searching for more info but as I mentioned it is fairly scarce as family members have passed on and documents etc have dissapered somewhere along the line.
I have asked Dad to give his cousin a call as although she was from his mothers side she was in actual fact closer to his mothers age so knew my grandfather (Joseph Percy) and grandmother (Ivy) quite well and probably knows more about other relations.
 
Re: Frederick Hammond (1915)

A little of the family tree:
Charles Hammond b. 1833 Loughborough -m- Rosannah Farmer

Children:
William Henry Hammond b. 1857 Birmingham
John Edward Hammond b. 1859 Birmingham
Mary Ann Hammond b. 1862 Birmingham

John Edward -m- Annie Dickson b. 1861 Glasgow

Children:
Reginald Ernest b. 1882 Birmingham
Harold Osmond b. 1883 Birmingham d. 1901 Meriden
Estella b. 1884 Birmingham
Dorothy b. 1890 Birmingham
Millicent b. 1894 Birmingham
Hilda b. 1895 Birmingham
Ena b. 1898 Birmingham
Gladys b. 1899 Birmingham
Ian Kenneth b. 1903 Birmingham

Hilda -m- Arthur Gilhome Spence

Children:
Muriel Fay Spence b. 1926 London

I cannot trace Reginald after the 1911 census.

Estella married and moved to London

We know Dorothy never married but was living with relatives in Southend in 1948.

We know Hilda married and also Ian Kenneth married Ethel Adams in Birmingham in 1926. One point which you never know someone in your family may recall. Hilda married David Worrall in Birmingham in 1918. He survived the first war but before he got back to the UK he died of influenza overseas. She then marrie4d Arthur Spence in 1924 in Croydon.

I need to find out what happened to Ena and Gladys. lso need to find out who these relatives were in Southend.
 
Re: Frederick Hammond (1915)

Hi
I will be seeing dad later so will see if I can jog his memory and find out a little more.
Paul
 
Re: Frederick Hammond (1915)

I rang Fay last night. She only met her Uncle Reginald once and didn't know that her mother had two other brothers.

Perhaps you may want to think abour obtaining birth/marriage certificates.

sue
 
Re: Frederick Hammond (1915)

Hi
Well have been doing some digging around today and have spoken to my cousin (son of my dad's sister). He started to look at the family tree quite a while ago and says he got quite a way with it so is going to let me have all the info so that may also help.
Paul
 
Re: Frederick Hammond (1915)

Paul,if you want to take your family history further back
Joseph P Hammond marriage to Ivy I Harrison,
September quarter 1936 ref. 6d 199
Cost from birmingham Register office £7
It will give you enough info to trace back more generations.

Joseph Percy Hammond died Birmingham 1988 birthdate 15th February 1910.
 
Re: Frederick Hammond (1915)

Alberta
Thanks for your info. That is definately my grandfather as know I had passed my driving test for about two years when he died and I passed in 1986. DOB matches and the year of marriage also marriages to the birth of the first child.

If I get a copy of the marriage certificate I pressume it will give me details of their parents (my great grandparents) etc???

Thank you very much.
 
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