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Hi all,

I am in a mess with my grandads side of the family. He was Philip Willis 1899 birth certificate sent for. He apparently had a "secret" brother named Samuel Hale 11 years older than Philip. I can find in the 1891 a Samuel Hale aged 1 with mother Jemima Hale in West Bromwich workhouse. Nothing regarding his birth or Jemina's or death of Jemima. Does anyone know how to gain any information of births and deaths in workhouses?

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As you have Phillip's birth certificate, was his mother Jemima?

The only Phillip Willis I can find on the 1901 census, born around 1899/1900 had parents by the name of James and Kate.

Births and deaths would be registered, even if they took place in the workshouse.

On the 1881 census Jemima is in the Union Workhouse, West Bromwich.
 
birth certificate for Philip is on its way, not received as yet. Yes i have also found that information but can't make head or tail of it. Nothing about Jemina after the workhouse and no death either. no birth for Sam Hale only that he was one year old with Jemima. The 1911 census for Philip makes no sense, as if he is the one with James and Kate, the 1911 says James and Jane (possibly remarried) but only one child living and one child born alive, yet with kate and James there are two other siblings William and Ann. very confusing. Thats why i wanted information on the workhouses, but unfortunately i cant find anything :confused:

I made a typo it was the 1891 census not the 1871 where i found them.
 
On the 1911 next to the wifes name it will tell you how long they have been married.
Given the age of Ann Willis and the next child I am inclined to think that she was not of the marriage of James and Kate perhaps she was Kates child.
 
Yes thanks alberta it shows 9 years in the marriage which means if true philip and sam not James and Janes. That hopefully will all come out with the BC, its Jemina and Sam's early days i need. :)
 
The Jemima in the workhouse in 1881 says age 27 this could be Jemima HALES registered 1854 June in West Bromwich ref 6b 599.
Cannot find her prior to 1881.
 
Thanks Alberta, will look into that. Much appreciated.

Best regards
 
BC for Philip Willis arrived today. Kate is his mother and her surname (formerly) was Drennan, i have looked and looked and looked and cannot find a Kate or Catherine Drennan for her so called birth date of 1871 ish. !!! Help please I have scanned the BC but dont know how to insert it on here for viewing.

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I did it! yipppee

:cry: i still can not find Kate Drennan, any ideas folks.
 
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This could be Kate..(Catherina)
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Catherina Drennan Female
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Event(s):
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Birth: 04 DEC 1863
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Christening: 24 JAN 1864 St Peter'S, Birmingham, Warwick, England
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Parents:
Father: Patricii Drennan
Mother: Annae Shea
Now if Kate named her son Phillip, do you think this could be part of her family in 1891.Her brother's family maybe

Place: Birmingham -Warwickshire
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Margaret

Address: 4 Hse Bk 54 Ledsam St

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born

DRENNAN Phillip Head M M 40 Shoemaker(Notem) Yorkshire - -
DRENNAN Elizabeth Wife M F 39 Warwickshire - Birmingham
DRENNAN Elizabeth Dau S F 14 Scholar Warwickshire - Birmingham
DRENNAN William Son S M 10 Scholar Warwickshire - Birmingham
DRENNAN John Son S M 8 Scholar Warwickshire - Birmingham
DRENNAN Tom Son S M 7 Scholar Warwickshire - Birmingham
DRENNAN Gertrude A Dau S F 1 Warwickshire - Birmingham

Also found this...
Thomas Brabson DRINNEN
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Event(s)
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Birth: 1907 , Knox, Tn
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Death: 24 Feb 1944 , , England
Parents
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Father: John Willis DRINNEN
Mother: Margaret Linda (Lynn) CAMPBELL
 
Looks promising Pom.. will look into it.. the only thing is... Kate is 30 in the 1901 census, not transcribed wrongly, i looked at the original, would Kate have been that vain! lol
 
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