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Hadley family

Vixen

Vixen

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Looking for information on my great grandad John W. Hadley. Born 6th dec1892. John W. Hadley married May Elizabeth Johns in 1915. Don't know at this point who John's parents were. They lived in Birmingham and I know lived at some point at bendall rd/St. Would be good to find info on John and may if anyone can help. May was born 1896. I did find 1 John hadley of the same year under Worcester but my belief is he came from west Midlands, Birmingham area
Thanks

I would also love information on May Elizabeth Hadley who remarried and became May Elizabeth Moore. I believe she remained in the birmingham area. All I have for her currently is her year of birth being 1896.
 
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Hi everyone
If anyone can help me I would be so grateful. I'm looking for information on John W. Hadley. We think the W is William. He was born 6th Dec 1892. I do not know who his parents were - yet! Fingers crossed.

John married may E. Johns in 1915. May was born 1896. They had around 5 kids including George Hadley in Feb 1924. George had a sister may, a brother percy. I believe them to be a few years younger.

At one stage they lived 128 bendall rd/St. Birmingham. I believe most of them were born here, and I know they lived in Aston. George moved to Exeter and died 2002.
 
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was john born in birmingham ? there is a john hadley b birmingham in 1893 also a john william hadley b 1894 aston
 
Astoness said:
was john born in birmingham ? there is a john hadley b birmingham in 1893 also a john william hadley b 1894 aston
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John was born 1892. I assume birmingh
Astoness said:
was john born in birmingham ? there is a john hadley b birmingham in 1893 also a john william hadley b 1894 aston
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John William Hadley was born 1892. We assume he was born in Birmingham. He married May Elizabeth Hadley 1915 in Aston Birmingham. But can't find a birth record for him. He died aged 64 in 1956.
 
Astoness said:
was john born in birmingham ? there is a john hadley b birmingham in 1893 also a john william hadley b 1894 aston
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Vixen said:
John was born 1892. I assume birmingh

John William Hadley was born 1892. We assume he was born in Birmingham. He married May Elizabeth Hadley 1915 in Aston Birmingham. But can't find a birth record for him. He died aged 64 in 1956.
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Vixen said:
John was born 1892. I assume birmingh

John William Hadley was born 1892. We assume he was born in Birmingham. He married May Elizabeth Hadley 1915 in Aston Birmingham. But can't find a birth record for him. He died aged 64 in 1956.
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John
Astoness said:
was john born in birmingham ? there is a john hadley b birmingham in 1893 also a john william hadley b 1894 aston
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John lived 128 bendall St/Rd and was down as an electric crane driver.
 
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Vixen said:
John was born 1892. I assume birmingh

John William Hadley was born 1892. We assume he was born in Birmingham. He married May Elizabeth Hadley 1915 in Aston Birmingham. But can't find a birth record for him. He died aged 64 in 1956.
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Well we assume 64 if 1892 is correct. I think on the 1939 census it gives his age. If that is correct it would be 1892
 
Vixen
I think you will find the correct number of the house is no 154 in the second column. the number in the first column is an administrative number in the district
 
adding to mikes post at the min i cant find a definate birth record for john w hadley b birmingham but other members may do better...failing this you could order his marriage cert to may elizabeth johns 1915 aston birmingham which will give you his fathers name and occupation this is always assuming he knew who he father was.(not everyone did) you most likey have the ref for this but if not its 6D 1617

LYN
 
I think it must be Bendall Road, as there does not seem to be a Bendall St in 1939. the online electoral rolls do not seem to list anyone in Bendall Road in 1939, the first mention being in 1945 (no electoral rolls 1940-44), when the occupants were named Ward. .So they must have only just moved in.
 
mikejee said:
Vixen
I think you will find the correct number of the house is no 154 in the second column. the number in the first column is an administrative number in the district
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Thanks for explaining that. I'm new to all this.
 
mikejee said:
I think it must be Bendall Road, as there does not seem to be a Bendall St in 1939. the online electoral rolls do not seem to list anyone in Bendall Road in 1939, the first mention being in 1945 (no electoral rolls 1940-44), when the occupants were named Ward. .So they must have only just moved in.
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The info did come from an census after 1924 as my grandfather is listed on it.
 
It would have been the 1939 survey immediately prior to WW2. That is why I looked at the 1939 electoral roll
 
It is possible that it is the John William Hadley reg Aston, Mar qtr 1894, which could include December 1893 births.

The 1892 dob on the 1939 could easily be a small error and there is death registered for a John William Hadley reg Bham, Dec qtr of 1956. This gives a birth year of 1894 which again could be 1893 as this anomaly happens when a person dies before they reach that years birthday.

This John William Hadley appears to be the son of another John William Hadley and Emma/Emily Portlock. However he doesn't appear with them on any census.

Can't be certain that this is the right person and as Lyn mentioned the marriage certificate is probably the way to go in this instance.
 
Thanks for this. Someone did mention tonight about birth registrations appearing later than when someone is actually born so what you said makes a lot of sense. Thanks
 
hi vixen...it is so easy to follow the wrong family line when researching our ancestry i did it once but after checking and re checking and obtaining certain certificates i got there in the end..so many have done it then years later realise their error...if you are certain you have the correct marriage of john w hadley to may elizabeth johns then as i advised in post 9 i really think it advisable to obtain a copy of their marriage cert as it should put you on the right track...they only cost £11 if you order online but can save a lot of guess work..below is the link to the GRO should you wish to obain any birth marriage or death certs..

www.gov.uk

Order a birth, death, marriage or civil partnership certificate

Order an official birth, adoption, death, marriage or civil partnership certificate from the General Register Office (GRO) if you need a copy or want to research your family tree.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk


lyn
 
Astoness said:
hi vixen...it is so easy to follow the wrong family line when researching our ancestry i did it once but after checking and re checking and obtaining certain certificates i got there in the end..so many have done it then years later realise their error...if you are certain you have the correct marriage of john w hadley to may elizabeth johns then as i advised in post 9 i really think it advisable to obtain a copy of their marriage cert as it should put you on the right track...they only cost £11 if you order online but can save a lot of guess work..below is the link to the GRO should you wish to obain any birth marriage or death certs..

www.gov.uk

Order a birth, death, marriage or civil partnership certificate

Order an official birth, adoption, death, marriage or civil partnership certificate from the General Register Office (GRO) if you need a copy or want to research your family tree.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk


lyn
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Yes am following this advice. Definately the right people who married 1915 in Aston
 
thats great vixen...when you receive the marriage cert could you let us know the details then maybe we can move on with the research

lyn:)
 
Will do. I want to pay over the phone but rang Birmingham registry yesterday which put me through tons of options then said apply online and then they cut you off. I will see if I can actually speak to someone today. Thanks
 
Astoness said:
hi vixen...it is so easy to follow the wrong family line when researching our ancestry i did it once but after checking and re checking and obtaining certain certificates i got there in the end..so many have done it then years later realise their error...if you are certain you have the correct marriage of john w hadley to may elizabeth johns then as i advised in post 9 i really think it advisable to obtain a copy of their marriage cert as it should put you on the right track...they only cost £11 if you order online but can save a lot of guess work..below is the link to the GRO should you wish to obain any birth marriage or death certs..

www.gov.uk

Order a birth, death, marriage or civil partnership certificate

Order an official birth, adoption, death, marriage or civil partnership certificate from the General Register Office (GRO) if you need a copy or want to research your family tree.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk


lyn
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I think it doesn't help when you find someone has written on the census a wrong detail eg may johns who married John W. Hadley we believe is born 1896 but on one census she comes out as born 1898. Then throw into the mix registration quarters and how someone's birth the last quarter of the year gets carried over into the next throwing out their birth year which is what we think could have happened to john W Hadley but there is marriage record matching for 1915
 
yes dont give up..if i were you i would press an option that will enable you to speak to someone and if they cant help they should put you through to the correct department...let us know how you get on..

lyn
 
Vixen said:
I think it doesn't help when you find someone has written on the census a wrong detail eg may johns who married John W. Hadley we believe is born 1896 but on one census she comes out as born 1898. Then throw into the mix registration quarters and how someone's birth the last quarter of the year gets carried over into the next throwing out their birth year which is what we think could have happened to john W Hadley but there is marriage record matching for 1915
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yes i agree...we have to give a bit of leeway with dates of birth this is why obtaining certificates can really help i have had to buy many and it can be expensive but well worth it in the end...be careful if you have to go back to the 1841 census as they tended to round up the childrens ages and they can be out by 5 to 7 years....
 
Astoness said:
yes dont give up..if i were you i would press an option that will enable you to speak to someone and if they cant help they should put you through to the correct department...let us know how you get on..

lyn
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That's what I was planning lol
 
Astoness said:
hi vixen...it is so easy to follow the wrong family line when researching our ancestry i did it once but after checking and re checking and obtaining certain certificates i got there in the end..so many have done it then years later realise their error...if you are certain you have the correct marriage of john w hadley to may elizabeth johns then as i advised in post 9 i really think it advisable to obtain a copy of their marriage cert as it should put you on the right track...they only cost £11 if you order online but can save a lot of guess work..below is the link to the GRO should you wish to obain any birth marriage or death certs..

www.gov.uk

Order a birth, death, marriage or civil partnership certificate

Order an official birth, adoption, death, marriage or civil partnership certificate from the General Register Office (GRO) if you need a copy or want to research your family tree.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk


lyn
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A marriage certificate came through today for John W. Hadley and may johns. They married 8th Nov 1915. John was 21, may 20. Under profession it says ammunition maker. Address of John: back 168 Bloomsbury Street, duddeston. Address for may 2 osbourne place, Aston Brook St, Birmingham. Did a residency lookup for the census but can't find anything. Father of John was john william hadley, George Johns (deceased) was mays dad. George was a brass dresser and John a tube drawer. Have managed to get info on John W senior and his siblings and juniors siblings. I haven't yet looked into each of them but will. Im now looking at Henry Hadley dad of john William hadley senior who was born 1857 and who did marry Emily portlock. Henry was born around 1837 and married Jane teague. I've not yet managed to get info on matilda mayes who was the mother of May johns who married John W hadley junior. I'm waiting for someone to visit Birmingham archives for me as I don't live close by.
 
suemalings said:
Does your Hadley family have any connections to Manchester or typewriters/stationary?
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Not that I'm aware of but to be honest I knew very little about my family on both sides until now. It seems a lot of the Hadleys lived in birmingham, some moved to Devon. Worcestershire and Stafford also feature.
 
My uncle Frank was born in Manchester in 1912. His father, also Frank, was born in Aston in 1887. He is shown on the 1901 census as living in Aston, but in 1911 is living in Manchester. He married in Manchester too. At this time he was a Typewriter merchant. His father was Arthur, born Aston in 1861. On the 1911 census he is living in Manchester and is a Carpenter & Joiner.

Arthur's father was William, b. 1823 in Staffordshire.. By 1861 he was living in Aston and a Foreman/carpenter.

Eventually, Frank (b. 1887) retired to Rhyl in North Wales.

I have not researched further than the direct line, although I see on my tree there are sons of various members. So there is possibility we could be talking about the same family.
 
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