Germansilver stamper

[Dianne]

Hi everyone,

I'm not sure if I am in the right forum but here goes ..

Does anyone know what a Journeyman for the above means?

My Great Great Grandfather was a Journeyman with the above trade, does anyone know where I could find info about german silver manufacturers in Birmingham (presume Jewellry qtr) in the early 1800's ?

Thanks in anticipation

Dianne

 

[ColinB]

Hi Dianne,
These should explain

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_silver

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journeyman

Colin

 

[John Young]

Hi Dianne,, Think its a "Harder" silver application as used in
Thimble manufacture & other wear resistant "attractive" items.
A journeyman "tradesman" would travel local area using his
specialist skills eg Stamping/Hallmarking etc.
Hope this assists a little,
Cheers John Y

 

[cba]

I have been trying to find out what a German silver spoon maker was. My GG Grandfather is on the 1861 census as one. He is on the 1851 census as a spoon maker. other males in the family are spoon makers or jewellers. They lived in Hockley and then Hylton St, there surname was Hope. I am assuming that this was in the jewellery Quarter. Any clarification would be welcome. Any idea of businesses?

 

[pjmburns]

I think, after a search, that German Silver is another name for nickel silver so it refers to the metal the spoons were made out of.
See here for where I got the info https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_silver
If I have the right person (George married to Maryann) he left over £3,000 when he died in 1881 at the Plough and Harrow Inn! The address was given as Hylton street, Vyse Street - the heart of the Jewellery Quarter.

In 1862 he is listed as George Hope, Hylton Street under "Electro and Silver Plated Ware Manufacturers."
In 1879 he is listed at 13 and 14 as a spoon and fork manufacturer but at the same address is Joseph Hope listed as electro plater &c.

Janice

 

[Astoness]

just to add to the info provided by janice... hylton street is in the jewellery quarter

lyn

 

[cba]

Thank you so much for this. I am hoping that this is the correct family link. I am really appreciative of you research and info about German silver.
The other thing is how do I research wills and probate? I am using Find My Past but have not come across this information. How did you find out where he died? and where is the Plough and Harrow? I seem to be coming across pubs a lot. First the Greyhound at Erdington. I also noticed my G Grandfather Bernard was a barman on his attestation papers of 1885.
If there is anything I can help with please ask.

 

[pjmburns]

I use Ancestry and when I did search it came up with the probate record. However, more information is available here https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar The Plough and Harrow is a hotel (a bit more than a pub!) on the Hagley Road - a large house built in 1704. website here https://www.ploughandharrowhotel.co.uk/
Janice

 

[mikejee]

George hope appears at 13-14 Hylton St till the 1882 Kellys ( The year is the publication date and would refer to information from 1881) In 1873 the firm there is thomas Walter Jones.
In 1873 directory (probably refers to 1872) his firm is at Hylton St, but his home is at Brighton Terrace, Moseley Road.
It should be noted that between the 1883 and 1884 directories, the numbering of Hylton St was changed (from consecutive), and 13-14 became 48, 50 Hylton St (odd one side, even the other). A c1950 map is shown below with 48-50 in red. This is possibly the building shown in the attached photo , probably from around 1960, and building looks old enough to be the same (with modifications,) Again the Google view looks like it is the same building today , though heavily modified.

 

[cba]

Thank you so much for your time. It seems from my research that my G Grandfather Bernard Hope split away from the family and joined the Royal Artillery in 1885. It would be really interesting to piece all this together. There seems to be a jewellery link on both sides of my maternal line but no joining together anywhere. My grandfather Murphy's father was a Jewellery hawker from County Mayo Ireland and my grandfather was born into a large Catholic family in Kidderminster.
I am really interested in the history of the Jewellery quarter and it's place in Birmingham's history and development.

 

[Burda]

I think, after a search, that German Silver is another name for nickel silver so it refers to the metal the spoons were made out of.
See here for where I got the info https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_silver
If I have the right person (George married to Maryann) he left over £3,000 when he died in 1881 at the Plough and Harrow Inn! The address was given as Hylton street, Vyse Street - the heart of the Jewellery Quarter.

In 1862 he is listed as George Hope, Hylton Street under "Electro and Silver Plated Ware Manufacturers."
In 1879 he is listed at 13 and 14 as a spoon and fork manufacturer but at the same address is Joseph Hope listed as electro plater &c.

Janice

 

[Burda]

Do you have any further info as these are my past relations Samuel Hope was my great great great grandfather, he had his own hallmark, I’m planning to visit the Cemetry in the jewellery quarter to gain more info too
Thank you