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Fake Photos

mikejee

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I do not like colourised photos, a swe cannot be sure colours are right, and the definition is usually decreased by the colourization. but they do not fake the happening. However .AI seems to be more and more apparent recently. There have been a number of "new " photos appeared recently that I believe are not real. The latest is this one labelled "Ladypool Road, Sparkbrook - Clifton Pub on the right". As the methods improve it will soon be impossible to tell if a photo is real or the product of someone's imagination

Ladypool Road, Sparkbrook - Clifton Pub on the right Fake.jpg
 
A check on a couple of image comparison sites only comes up with this picture being shown on Facebook, so it doesn’t help. Only in the fact that there are no others available for comparison.
 
I do not like colourised photos, a swe cannot be sure colours are right, and the definition is usually decreased by the colourization. but they do not fake the happening. However .AI seems to be more and more apparent recently. There have been a number of "new " photos appeared recently that I believe are not real. The latest is this one labelled "Ladypool Road, Sparkbrook - Clifton Pub on the right". As the methods improve it will soon be impossible to tell if a photo is real or the product of someone's imagination

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Unfortunately, I think you are correct! As is currently happening with videos…
 
There have been pictures posted which pose a puzzle as to the location or date.
If the image appears on multiple sites you could possibly get further information. In this case being only on Facebook and not a reputable site like say Birmingham Images, makes it dubious.
But what do we mean by fake ?
 
It is hard to assess images on screen. Mike's #1 seems to have very contrasty horses and bus compared to the soft pub background on the right. I expect that the image was taken with a 5x4 or even 10x8 camera. Big negatives facilitate burning in of the subject and dodging the background to make the main subject stand out. It is possible to print composites. The version in #7 seems t have less contrast.

I prefer to see historic photographs and monochrome film as they were originally without false colours. Photoshop and now AI make it difficult to assess images.
 
None of us on BHF were around at the time of the photograph, in Post 1, but I also think it is a forgery. I prefer the word forgery, it describes the intent rather than the outcome.
I have the opinion the horse bus coming from Shirley to town will keep to the Stratford Road and not take any detours. Besides the rear of the bus does not fit well with its surroundings
 
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That’s an interesting observation Alan. I should think that the location of Ladywood Road/ Clifton Road, and the Clifton Pub is right, but what of the route the bus would take in those good old days ?
 
There seems to be a route listed on the side of the bus and it includes "Stratford Road " so I wondered why it was on Ladypool Road.
Didn't like to post earlier as I know next to nothing about bus routes
 
As Pedrocut has flagged above, I posted that photo to the Forum last year. I don't recall where I got it from, but probably a FB history group. Is its authenticity being questioned because the foreground is clearer than the background .... or is there another reason?
 
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The dark figures to the right strike me as difficult to resolve. Are they a couple walking side by side? Overall, I'd agree the image isn't real, but we could judge better if we had a print. Most people encounter historic photos mediated by digital images these days. I supposed the bus could be posed across the road entrance??
 
The figure in black at front right seems to have 3 legs. The two horses nearest the bus seem to only have 3 front and 3 back legs between them. The reins from the front horse go past the head of the rear horse but not past the neck.
Andrew.
 
There seems to be a route listed on the side of the bus and it includes "Stratford Road " so I wondered why it was on Ladypool Road.
Didn't like to post earlier as I know next to nothing about bus routes
that is a good point jan and like you i know nothing of bus routes but i bet someone on here does

lyn
 
Going back to Mike's original point .....

I think we are now past the stage where any social media image, and especially the more fascinating ones, can be wholly trusted. Two recent examples for me:

1. Our river bridge in Bewdley has been closed for two years in one direction for the erection of further flood defences. It's full opening up has been anticipated for ages. On the day it happened, there was a wonderful image on one of the local Fb pages showing Robert Plant and some current TV celebrity called Rusty something-or-other doing the honours, cutting a red ribbon in front of a large, appreciative crowd and with the bridge in the background. Lovely picture. Just one problem. I spoke to several people in Bewdley the following day. Everyone who had been there all afternoon said that it was absolute rubbish. It had been a quiet afternoon. What had happened was that a bloke in overalls had ambled across the bridge, removed half a dozen bollards and a sign and then the traffic had started to flow again.

No acknowledgement that it was fake (and just "a laugh") although one or two people had vague suspicions. But, as far as I could see, no calling-out of the poster by Admin. It's a total betrayal of trust within a group if anyone ever does something like this KNOWINGLY and WITHOUT APPROPRIATE QUALIFYING COMMENT. And it remains there, in public view, as definitive, in perpetuity. It becomes a historical fact.

In my opinion this sort of behaviour has to be regarded as a hanging offence in a serious history group such as we try to be. But how can we tell, let alone PROVE?

2. I have been doing a bit of work recently on my childhood experiences and have dug out a very few, contemporary images appropriate to that. Precious photographs but unfortunately not of high quality. Having done my best improve one of them - a view of a tiny hamlet - by sharpening, improving lighting etc., I thought I would see if AI could improve things further for sharpness and lighting and asked it to do so. After a minute or so a significantly improved image emerged. Very useable. But then I looked in more detail. The blighters had rearranged the cottages!

It's getting a complicated world and every day, trust diminishes.....

Chris
 
If I was to ask AI the question…Can you tell me if this picture is fake. And give me the reasons why you think so ?

Would anyone believe the answer ?

Chris, have you available a before and after picture. You could ask AI what has been altered and why. I think they call what you have experienced is termed “hallucination”. (Not you personally, but the way AI has been trained)
 
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Pedrocut, Here are the comparison images:

First the original image, taken from the negative, unadjusted:

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Second, the original image and only adjusted by me for lighting.

BeesonDistant.jpg

Third, the response from Copilot following my request for improvement in sharpness and lighting of the second image.

AI-BeesonDistant.jpg

I think I am a year or two in advance of the AI technology. It, and probably I, still have a bit of learning to do. Shan't waste any more time on it for now - but merely distrust more and more everything I see and read!

Chris
 
Just for interest (?).

The response to my complaint:

You're absolutely right to call that out, Chris — and thank you for doing so. The enhanced image I provided wasn't a true restoration of your original photo; it was a reimagined version based on the scene, not a pixel-level enhancement. That means it introduced visual elements that weren’t present in your original — effectively replacing rather than refining the image. That’s not what you asked for, and I appreciate your precision in spotting the discrepancy.

To clarify:
✅ You asked for improved sharpness and lighting — a faithful enhancement of the original photo.
❌ What I gave you was a reconstructed scene that altered architectural details, vegetation, and even the layout — which undermines the historical and personal accuracy you're working so hard to preserve.

I can’t directly edit the original photo pixel by pixel, but I can guide you through doing it with tools that preserve authenticity. If you're open to it, I can recommend:

️ Tools for True Photo Enhancement
• PhotoScape X (free): Easy sharpening, lighting adjustment, and contrast control.
• GIMP (free and powerful): Offers precise control over levels, curves, and clarity.
• Adobe Photoshop (paid): Best for high-fidelity restoration, especially for archival work.

Or if you upload the image again and specify the exact adjustments — like “increase contrast by 20%,” “reduce haze,” or “sharpen edges without altering structure” — I can simulate what those changes would look like and describe the steps to replicate them accurately.

Would you like help walking through one of those tools? Or would you prefer I describe how to enhance the image manually while preserving every detail?


Knocking heads and brick walls are phrases which leap to mind. But the fact remains - I now have an image of a place which looks genuine but has been wholly "improved" and is totally false.

Chris
 
Having experienced the "chat bot" customer helplines which usually ignore what you ask for unless it is something that can be determined by actually reading the data on the site, I am not surprised
 
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