Cliveland Street

[Joe Hayward]

I am doing some research on 86 Cliveland Street. I was wondering if anyone could tell me anything about it or if anyone has an photographs?

Help is much appreciated!!!

 

[Vivienne14]

Not the building number you're looking for but here's an idea of the street. These were posted to another thread. Viv.

 

[Joe Hayward]

Not the building number you're looking for but here's an idea of the street. These were posted to another thread. Viv.

Thank you! Much appreciated

 

[brummy-lad]

An aerial view of Cliveland Street dated 1951 also a street map from the 1950s, this map would normally show property numbers but unfortunately apart from No. 22, no other numbers are shown.

If a member has access to earlier Kelly's it should be possible to work out the property numbers, it appears that Cliveland Street actually started the other side of Lower Loveday Street.

 

[MWS]

The road layout is the same on the 1889 map. Could it just be the end of one side and then the start of the other? Clive Works furniture at no. 34 is towards the end of the south side,

Does the Kelly's imply that the numbers were still sequential meaning no. 86 would have been on the north side at the New Town Row end? No. 86 doesn't appear to exist on the 1841, 1881 or 1891 census, I think the last number listed was 83.

 

[pjmburns]

1911 census stops at 80 and then lists work land

 

[pjmburns]

erolls for 1925 and 1939 only go to 82/83 which is listed to Crowley - presumaby to do with the factory.

 

[brummy-lad]

The road layout is the same on the 1889 map. Could it just be the end of one side and then the start of the other? Clive Works furniture at no. 34 is towards the end of the south side,

Does the Kelly's imply that the numbers were still sequential meaning no. 86 would have been on the north side at the New Town Row end? No. 86 doesn't appear to exist on the 1841, 1881 or 1891 census, I think the last number listed was 83.

I think you are right Mark, looking at google street view No. 82 (North Side towards Newtown Row) is Birmingham Tin Box moving west No. 54 is Robanna House. The street has been re-aligned however so pure supposition on my part.
Interestingly there is a Clive Passage to the west of Lower Loveday Street where the canal meets Snow Hill.

 

[pjmburns]

1901 and 1911 census stop at 82 suggesting thst if 86 existed it was not a private house.

 

[mikejee]

The numbering was always consecutive (unless it changed after WW2) The electoral rolls show that the entrance to court 8 on the map was between 58 and 59




So presumably 86 would be the on the north side on the far west side of the Hanley st junction

 

[pjmburns]

I am doing some research on 86 Cliveland Street. I was wondering if anyone could tell me anything about it or if anyone has an photographs?

Help is much appreciated!!!

Are you able to tell us where the number 86 came from? Thanks.

 

[pjmburns]

In Birmingham Daily Post October 1976 this ad was printed.

 

[mikejee]

In the 1973 Kellys at 84 Cliveden st is listed as Midlands Fabricators Co, sheet metal workers. At that time the completely accurate description is likely to have included 86, but this is not normally written if the address covers several plots

 

[pjmburns]

In the 1973 Kellys at 84 Cliveden st is listed as Midlands Fabricators Co, sheet metal workers. At that time the completely accurate description is likely to have included 86, but this is not normally written if the address covers several plots

So it was definitely an industrial address not a private house. I don't think we were given a date in post#1.

 

[mikejee]

It would certainly have been to the west of Hanley St on the north side. The smaller scale 1903 and 1913 (Alan Godfrey) map seem to show identical footprints in that area (no houses). Do not have any later maps avalable at a reasonable scale other than the 1950s one already mentioned, which seems to show warehouses or factories