Thank you for your help and the info, sorry, but I don't quite understand, as there seems to be a mix up, The G.R.O Index definately says John William Parker 6d 108 Dec quarter. Also, when I looked at the marriage register from St Gabriel's some years ago I wrote down Parker. Clara gives her year of birth on the certificate as 1884, does that match the 1939 register, and was there anyone else at that address in 1939? appreciate your help.
Thank for your help and the info, sorry but I don't quite understand, as there seems to be a mix up. The GRO Index definately says John William Parker 6d 108 Dec Quarter, 1904. Also when I looked at the marriage register for St Gabriel's some years ago I wrote down Parker. Clara on the marriage certificate give her year of birth as 1884, does that match the 1939 register, also is anyone else at that address in 1939? thanks for your help.
Thanks again for your help. Please don't think I am being ungrateful or difficult, I am just trying to find out where the mistake is, as its not like the GRO Index to make a mistake, and I wrote it down from the church register, and I need to be sure I have the correct people. Have you seen the marriage certificate in 1904, if so, it should say Clara's father was Edwin Chapman, trade, a Slater. What age did Clara give on the certificate. I am not sure where the Smith in Susannah's name comes in. Sorry to be a pest but you know what we family historians are like for detail. Thanks again
MWS, Thank you so much for your latest info, and the previous info some time ago about Edwin Orton. My head is now bussing as I think you have found the answer to a 30 year mystery. It is so complicated that I need to sit and map it all out. But the fact you added mmn as Barlow to Susannah and Clara, makes me totally confident that I have now also found my grandmother, Elizabeth Earley's mother. My grandmother who I lived with until I was 10 said she was born in 1881, father, John, I could not find a birth that year. I did find a birth for Elizabeth Earley 3 years earlier in 1878, fathers name James, although their trade's were the same ,so I was never sure, although I kept it on file. Her daughter told me my gran's mother later married Edwin Chapman who already had two daughters, Susannah and Clara Chapman, making them her half sisters, although there is no marriage for Earley/ Chapman. Now you mention Barlow as their mmn, on the birth of Elizabeth Earley 1878, her mothers mmn is also Elizabeth Barlow. Susannah Chapman married Arnold Fisher in 1901, so was it legal then for cousins to marry? To complicate it further, Clara Chapman married John William Parkes in 1904, who may well have been the brother of James Henry Parkes on the 1901 census who Susannah was boarding with. Once again MWS, I am so grateful, I can't thank you enough if this turns out correct, as I am confident it will, once its all down on paper.
MWS, Thanks for putting me right, it was a senior moment, put it down to the excitement of confirming my great grandmother after so long. The birth certificate of Elizabeth Hurley, (on her marriage its Earley so I forget and use both without thinking sometimes) anyway its 24th July 1879, father James Hurley, mother Elizabeth Barlow, living in Warwick Terrace, William Street, Aston. I have looked for a marriage of Elizabeth Barlow /James Hurley/Earley, nil and tried the censuses, nil, also looked for marriages of Horton /Barlow, Horton/ Earley/Hurley, Chapman Hurley/Earley nil, deaths of John/James Hurley/Earley on Familysearch and Free BMD, but nothing that fits I can see. Because I now live in Devon I can't get to the library as I used too. Edwin seems to have been a bit of a lad!! But thanks for your interest, time and trouble.
Thanks MWS. I will look into that further, looks really promising. Am I missing something, (which is not unusual) When you said Susannah and Arnold were cousin's & Arnolds mother was Edwin's sister I thought you meant that's how Susannah and Arnold were cousins, but I have Arnolds mother as Edwin Foyles sister, is there some other connection I have missed. Yes Richard Marson was my grandfather, and Elizabeth did give Hurley as her mothers maiden name on several children's, including my mothers, and Chapman on only one. It was my grans daughter (Dead a long time ago) who told me about Chapman marrying my great gran, and she remembered him living with them when she was a child for a short time. The fact she said she only remember him, and not them, started me thinking, & on this journey. I agree that Elizabeth Barlow was not married to either. Thanks again.
MWS, Thank you, every posting from you makes me more convinced that I have found my great grandmother, I am so grateful as I have been searching on & off for over 30 years. My grandmother, I don't think ever knew so had a possible brother, her daughter told me my grandmother was an only child, that's why I never looked for any brothers or sisters. I did see the 1881 census with John aged 4 as Barlow in Alcester St, only since your last posting, but never imagined him to be an Hurley. How did you find the mmn, I thought they were not published by GRO until around 1915, are they on Ancestry? Would it have the fathers name too? I could never have found this without all your help,!! thank you.
Sorry for the delay, My Elizabeth Barlow was not married, born 1853, mother of Elizabeth Hurley, sorry but there does not seem to be a connection, but thanks for your post.