Jayell
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Wish I knew and could confirm!
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Thanks Judy, a great photo. This is my interpretation of the photo.
I’ve looked at the layered map on the National Library of Scotland maps site and the modern superimposed view shows that Church Hill House/Endwood was altered and reduced at some point on the SW side on Hamstead Road. Therefore I think the photo was taken on Hamstead Road, the gateway probably being near the point where the new wall is - as discussed earlier. This would have been close to the Lamp Tavern. I did wonder before if the wall was built in two parts - you can see a lower and upper course. In the carriage photo there are railings on top of the lower level.
The doorways which appear on the side of the house (which are very odd!) must be something to do with the demolished adjoining building.
The carriage looks like a Landau with collapsible hoods back and front. It’s drawn by two horses, (Someone please correct me if I’m wrong). There would have been plenty of space for the carriage and horses at Church Hill House as we know from the property for sale advert in post #17. The Landau would have been a real status symbol. There’s no certainty the carriage belonged to Church Hill but I think it’s highly likely it did. The date of the photo must be mid-late 19th century. Maybe someone can narrow that date down by looking at the carriage.
Viv.
I’ve looked at the layered map on the National Library of Scotland maps site and the modern superimposed view shows that Church Hill House/Endwood was altered and reduced at some point on the SW side on Hamstead Road. Therefore I think the photo was taken on Hamstead Road, the gateway probably being near the point where the new wall is - as discussed earlier. This would have been close to the Lamp Tavern. I did wonder before if the wall was built in two parts - you can see a lower and upper course. In the carriage photo there are railings on top of the lower level.
The doorways which appear on the side of the house (which are very odd!) must be something to do with the demolished adjoining building.
The carriage looks like a Landau with collapsible hoods back and front. It’s drawn by two horses, (Someone please correct me if I’m wrong). There would have been plenty of space for the carriage and horses at Church Hill House as we know from the property for sale advert in post #17. The Landau would have been a real status symbol. There’s no certainty the carriage belonged to Church Hill but I think it’s highly likely it did. The date of the photo must be mid-late 19th century. Maybe someone can narrow that date down by looking at the carriage.
Viv.
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Richard Dye
master brummie
Great work Viv!
Richard Dye
master brummie
Had some great times there especially in their garden. They had an outside bar that was so very convenient!
This was the building in 1987.
Wellhead Mike
New Member
I've read this thread with great interest and loved some of the old pics etc. I spent many happy years as a kid playing in the Endwood beer garden, 60years ago now, My Grand[parents lived at No 9 Wellington Road which backed onto The Drive for which you have inserted the ariel view of.
No 9 sat on the plot which is now occupied by Dorothy Gardens. I remember Noel Gordon of Crossroads fame parked her sports car in a garage at the back of the house, she was'nt over friendly to us kids, especially when we used to play football and use her garage door as a goal. The Endwood pub was my Dad and Grandads favourite watering hole for years. so sad to see that its fallen into a state of disrepair, seems to be the norm for England now. Many thanks for sharing.
No 9 sat on the plot which is now occupied by Dorothy Gardens. I remember Noel Gordon of Crossroads fame parked her sports car in a garage at the back of the house, she was'nt over friendly to us kids, especially when we used to play football and use her garage door as a goal. The Endwood pub was my Dad and Grandads favourite watering hole for years. so sad to see that its fallen into a state of disrepair, seems to be the norm for England now. Many thanks for sharing.
Richard Dye
master brummie
I used the Endwood beer garden, I had friends that were two years older who would buy beer and crisps for me
. As I got older I enjoyed it in the summer months then when the weather changes go inside to the smoke room. Yes it is so VERY sad it is in a state of misuse.Wellhead Mike
New Member
hi Richard, I remember the garden was laid out with some lovely brick paths. Salted crisps with the little blue bag of salt with a lemonade, heaven, my Grandad used to drink in the public bar at the front, I think he eventually got banned for falling out with the guvnor. How times have changed.I used the Endwood beer garden, I had friends that were two years older who would buy beer and crisps for me
Richard Dye
master brummie
The garden was a wonderful place on a Sunday afternoon/evening in the summer. Many times as I get older how I wish I could have captured those moments in a Time Machine.