Many thanks for your very helpful information. Nothing less that you would expect from you Birmingham folk! I now can safely assume it is Victorian. Who actually made it is still a bit grey. The brass name plate on the door,in my humble opinion is a makers plate, not a' supplied by' plate so I am leaning towards Charles Purden being the maker unless further info surfaces. When I sell it I will get you to pop over , Alan , and lift it out for me , you seem to have a lot of experience moving safes!!( not at night I hope!) Kind regards