Charles Arthur Tavern, Charles Arthur Street

[Aidan]

I'm trying to find a bit of info on my 4*grandfather, Thomas Brueton. After an earlier career making Leather Jewel Cases he runs off with a 16 year-old from Bloxwich and in 1891 is living at 29 Charles Arthur Street and is shown as a Public House Manager.

Can anyone please tell me:
* Where is Charles Arthur Street (is it now Nechells Park Road?)
* Is there a Charles Arthur Tavern on this street around 1891 (or had it changed name, I think there was a Rose & Crown on the street at some point)?
* Is there a photo or picture of the street around this time in existence?

Any help or pointers gratefully received

 

[mikejee]

Aidan
If you go to https://www.british-history.ac.uk/m...tid=10095&ox=325&oy=723&zm=1&czm=1&x=40&y=405 then you see most of Charles Arthur St in 1890. It ran from thimble mill lane to Rocky lane, crossing Long Acre. In 1880 the only beer retailer on the street was William Boden at no 44. On the map this is one of the line of buildings on the south side to the right of Long Acre, probably about the middle. The occupant in 1901 is listed as a publican, so it was a pub. It seems to have closed as a pub between 1921 and 1932. Will see if I can find its name
mike

 

[Aidan]

Cheers Mike, incredibly helpful as ever. There seems to be a trace of it in the name of the newer Charles Drive which I guess it would have crossed the top of https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&...2.496669,-1.873491&spn=0.003148,0.007832&z=17

Charles Arthur Tavern seems to have been there in 1861 https://yourarchives.nationalarchiv...ration_District,_1861_Census_Street_Index_P-R

Rose & Crown maybe later https://www.midlandspubs.co.uk/birmingham/

There are some pictures of the street in the 1950s & 60s at https://lives.bgfl.org/carlchinn/se...thur&k3=street&k4=&k5=&k6=&k7=&k8=&startrow=1 and a v.cool sketch of Old Thimble Mill Lane c1881 with Steam Train in background at the St Joseph RC school site https://www.stjosephs-nechells.co.uk/history_of_school.htm

I would of course like to know what was there in 1891

 

[mikejee]

Aidan
I misread your original post (don’t know why) as 1881, which is why I mentioned only no 44 . In 1890 there was a beer retailer at no 29 (Alfred Lees), but the place disappears as a beer retailer between 1905 & 1908. I think no 29 is the red building on the 1890 map , though it is possible that it is the one to the left of it. I think the marked one is most likely. The pub at no 44 disappeared before 1890.
Mike

 

[mikejee]

One extra thing . The 1892 directory gives Thomas Benton as being at no 29. This could be misspelling of Brueton, By 1895 it is John Horne
Mike

 

[horsencart]

In the 1892 directory there are 1 Brueton,s of them there is a

Brueton and Frederick jewel case maker 2 Northampton St
Bruetob Walter Frederick Eagle and Tun Inn 12 Banbury St

 

[Aidan]

Thanks for rechecking Mike and for the map markup. I think the 1892 Thomas Benton entry certainly sounds plausible. On the census he describes himself As "Public House Manager" which seems a bit grand for a Beer Retailer. Certainly possible or of course he could be the manager of a pub anywhere as he is with his family.

Thanks for the additional Directory check Bammot. Frederick Brueton was his brother https://forum.birminghamhistory.co.uk/showthread.php?t=30733&page=2&highlight=frederick+brueton and I believe he worked with him earlier. I'll add Walter to my shoebox as I can't place him yet, but I do love pub references!