Can't read Census address. Local knowledge required.

[Ken_R]

I'm looking for some help on an 1861 Census page please. I can't make out the Street name.

1861 TNA RG9 Piece 2157 Folio 51 Page 17 Charlott Brown.

The Enumerators walk reads, “….from and including all the houses on the South side of Great Hampton Row from Constitution Hill to Lower? St and both sides of [can’t read] Street , comprising 6 to 38 Great Hampton Row and Nos 1 to 105 Mott? St.”

In 1851 she was in Newhall Street, and in 1871, in Grosvenor St West.

Thanks.

 

[ladylinda]

House number 2 court 12, Mott Street.
The street still exists today

 

[sistersue61]

Mott Street is the location of the Two Towers brewery, where there was a meet-up earlier in the year - there is a link to it if you type two towers in the search. Not sure if any of the pics have been re-posted on it yet, but there are some of the forum members in Mott Street.
Sue

 

[Ken_R]

Thanks both.

And I thought I knew all of the street names in Brum! That one had certainly passed me by.

Ken.

 

[dek carr]

I'm looking for some help on an 1861 Census page please. I can't make out the Street name.

1861 TNA RG9 Piece 2157 Folio 51 Page 17 Charlott Brown.

The Enumerators walk reads, “….from and including all the houses on the South side of Great Hampton Row from Constitution Hill to Lower? St and both sides of [can’t read] Street , comprising 6 to 38 Great Hampton Row and Nos 1 to 105 Mott? St.”

In 1851 she was in Newhall Street, and in 1871, in Grosvenor St West.

Thanks.

It may be Lower Loveday St That Is still there also. Dek

 

[Ken_R]

It may be Lower Loveday St That Is still there also. Dek

Thanks Dek. I wasn't too bothered about that bit.

Ken.

 

[Ken_R]

I'm still having trouble with Charlott/Charlotte Brown (nee Whateley). I have the BMD record of her marrying John Brown Q2 1853 but not the Church record. As stated, in 1861 she is in Mott Street, husband missing, and in 1871 at 112 Grosvenor Street West, again husband missing. It is not until 1881 (8 Moreton Street) that she identifies herself as a Widow.

Hence, I have no details of John Brown concerning age, where born, occupation, etc, and with a name like that, very little to go on unless he appears in Census entries or one of the Trade directories.

 

[ladylinda]

He was actually John Brown Baldwin?
Marriages Jun 1853
Baldwin John Brown Aston 6d 304

 

[Ken_R]

Well spotted. I'd overlooked that bit but it doesn't get me any further.

Their son, Walter John Brown (Baldwin doesn't appear anywhere subsequent) married an Alma Lovett from Nova Scotia and they settled in Brockton, Massachusetts where they had four children. U.S. records, being more detailed than ours, clearly show the Mother of Walter John as being Charlotte Whateley and father, John (Brown). They were this side of the Pond in 1881.

The first child (I think) was born 1885. I'm still working on those.

His 1st wife died 1898 and in 1902 he married a widow, Fannie J. Morse (nee Pierce) who also died. He then married in 1911, Margaret A Murphy, and I have him/them sailing Boston to Liverpool arriving 10 Jul 1913.

So where did the "Baldwin" bit come from, or go to?

Alma Lovett might prove interesting as her father was born in the West Indies!