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BURMAN surname....mistranscription any ideas?

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Has anyone any ideas as to how the surname BURMAN may be mistranscribed.

I have a George Burman B 1802/3 Snitterfield Warks...found him on 1861 and 1871 census with his wife Elizabeth, he died in 1881.
Cant find any trace of him in 1841 or 1851 so name must be mistranscribed somewhere but i cant figure out how it would be spelt.

He married Elizabeth in 1845, but had been married before dont know who to though, they were living in birmingham Duddeston at time of marriage and after.

Jay.
 
Is this your George in 1841, Jay. Unfortunately the enumrator didn't record his occupation. He is living with

Wife Ann age 30
Children
Ann age 14
William 12
George 10
Hannah 7
Mary 4
J0seph 2

All of the family were recorded as being born in county of Warwickshire.

Name: Geoe Burman
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Household: View other family members
Gender: Male
Where born: Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: St George
Hundred: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: new John Street West

Occupation: View Image

Source information: HO107/1141/17
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Folio: 50
Page: 16 (click to see others on page)
Line number: 21
GSU Number: 464178
 
Hi Di,

I found them on the 1841 census but im not sure if its them or not,,, cant find them on the 51 census to double check, if any of the children were living with him and his new wife.

Jay.
 
check the business adres at tyburn rd i have invoices for a burman steel business
erdinton birmingham 24 i will try and down load a copy with the burman adres on
but i cannotfind any think either on these guys i will try and do it later this evening i think its 1939-54 no 898 tyburn rd erdinton birmingham 24.
 
jay said:
Has anyone any ideas as to how the surname BURMAN may be mistranscribed.
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Jay it could well be from Dutch or Flemish origin. The name Buurman (sounds like Burman in English) is not an uncommon name in the lowlands and translated means 'neighbour'. In 1802 it may have been noted as Burman and then put right by 1841 as Buurman, this is all I can think of. https://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/538/113


Graham.
 
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Hi jay and the gang
here is an ivoice dated with the burmans name on it as promised
these was at tyburn rderdingtonbham 24 from the very eartly years of life through to the fiftied there intials are r,h burman now they might be the sibblings or connected to them one never knows and they dealt with metals and supplyed all over the country the other one was for wilmott and breedon whom they supplyed as well
even the air craft industry best of luck i casnnot not get a start on them either
i will now attempt to down load them for you --- also note the name of other people on it as well the milners are they related i do not know it would be great if some
one would crack this one i do beleive they was connected to the city
and my resons for saying so will be mentioned inanother bit regarding the burmans
 
Hi Jay

May I offer a suggestion for the mistranscription from researching my own surnames medieaval source.
Berryman, Berriman and other surnames sounding the same is a name derived from old English (Saxon) from the occupation of Buri, or "head servant of the big household." (also a minor norse god)
If you were the Buri man for the "big Household" you would probably be few and far between and if Berryman is a mistranscription/derivative of Buriman, then your surname appears to be a lot closer to the origional than mine!
Hope this helps if you can't find evidence of any continental link.

Regards
Phil Berryman.
 
Just as an aside, whenever I want a list of possible variations in a surname, I generally type just the surname into the IGI and see what variations come up. Just for the record, I got 17 different spellings of SHEPPARD and 24 different spellings of PIERPOINT! :D

I'm not volunteering to do BURMAN, but amongst the many mistranscriptions of DORMAN (a similar name) I've found DAWMAN, DURMAN, DOLMAN, DOLLMAN, and a host of others.

Maurice :cool:
 
Hi Jay
I'm new to BHF, but have joined mainly because of your posting!

Did you get any joy in tracing George Burman? He's a direct ancestor of mine, and has proved equally elusive to me. LDS has the following:
<< [FONT=&quot]LDS: Christening: 29 SEP 1802 [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick, England[/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Death: [/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Burial: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]​
[FONT=&quot]Parents:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Father: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]JOB BURMAN [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Family[/FONT]​
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Mother: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]DOROTHY[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT]

BUT, there's no trace of George and Dorothy's marriage. I have LDS records for Job's father and grandfather (also Jobs), but they vanish again.

The name Burman can be spelled Berman(n) and is often a Jewish surname with either spelling. If our Burmans had Jewish roots, they may have been crypto-Jews and would have originated in Eastern Europe - possibly Poland or Hungary.

I am desperate to know if you have any information on this line - and am very willing to share my Gedcom with you also. How are you related?

sjames2162



jay said:
Has anyone any ideas as to how the surname BURMAN may be mistranscribed.

I have a George Burman B 1802/3 Snitterfield Warks...found him on 1861 and 1871 census with his wife Elizabeth, he died in 1881.
Cant find any trace of him in 1841 or 1851 so name must be mistranscribed somewhere but i cant figure out how it would be spelt.

He married Elizabeth in 1845, but had been married before dont know who to though, they were living in birmingham Duddeston at time of marriage and after.

Jay.
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Hi Jay
I'm new to BHF, but have joined mainly because of your posting!

Did you get any joy in tracing George Burman? He's a direct ancestor of mine, and has proved equally elusive to me. LDS has the following:
<< [FONT=&quot]LDS: Christening: 29 SEP 1802 [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick, England[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
clip_image002.gif
[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Death: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
clip_image002.gif
[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Burial: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
clip_image002.gif
[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
clip_image003.gif
[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
clip_image003.gif
[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
clip_image003.gif
[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]​
[FONT=&quot]Parents:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Father: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]JOB BURMAN [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Family[/FONT]​
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Mother: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]DOROTHY[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT]


BUT, there's no trace of George and Dorothy's marriage. I have LDS records for Job's father and grandfather (also Jobs), but they vanish again.

The name Burman can be spelled Berman(n) and is often a Jewish surname with either spelling. If our Burmans had Jewish roots, they may have been crypto-Jews and would have originated in Eastern Europe - possibly Poland or Hungary.

I am desperate to know if you have any information on this line - and am very willing to share my Gedcom with you also. How are you related?

sjames2162



jay said:
Has anyone any ideas as to how the surname BURMAN may be mistranscribed.

I have a George Burman B 1802/3 Snitterfield Warks...found him on 1861 and 1871 census with his wife Elizabeth, he died in 1881.
Cant find any trace of him in 1841 or 1851 so name must be mistranscribed somewhere but i cant figure out how it would be spelt.

He married Elizabeth in 1845, but had been married before dont know who to though, they were living in birmingham Duddeston at time of marriage and after.

Jay.
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There were Bermans who migrated from Poland at the begining of the 20th century. One Burman changed his name from Berkman to Berman
 
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