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Birmingham Tokens
- Thread starter ASTONITE
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The only C Tranters I can find are
1888 Tranter Clara (Mrs.), greengrocer, 40 Ingleby street
1890 Tranter Caroline Mrs shopkeeper 18 alexandra St
1892 Tranter Charles, shopkeeper, 75 lcknield square
1903 Tranter Charles Henry, confectioner, 333 Lichfield rd. Aston
1904 Tranter Caroline (Mrs.) shopkeeper, 62 High st. Bordesley
Tranter Charles Henry,.confectioner, 333 Lichfield rd. Aston
1908 Tranter Charles Henry,.confectioner, 333 Lichfield rd. Aston
1912-13 Tranter Charles Henry,.confectioner, 308 Lichfield rd. Aston
1932 Tranter Clement, butcher, 66 Digbeth
Not sure if any of these are likely to have given tokens
Mike
1888 Tranter Clara (Mrs.), greengrocer, 40 Ingleby street
1890 Tranter Caroline Mrs shopkeeper 18 alexandra St
1892 Tranter Charles, shopkeeper, 75 lcknield square
1903 Tranter Charles Henry, confectioner, 333 Lichfield rd. Aston
1904 Tranter Caroline (Mrs.) shopkeeper, 62 High st. Bordesley
Tranter Charles Henry,.confectioner, 333 Lichfield rd. Aston
1908 Tranter Charles Henry,.confectioner, 333 Lichfield rd. Aston
1912-13 Tranter Charles Henry,.confectioner, 308 Lichfield rd. Aston
1932 Tranter Clement, butcher, 66 Digbeth
Not sure if any of these are likely to have given tokens
Mike
ASTONITE
master brummie
Have just been having another mooch, and found this token from1796, it was issued by 'I.Allins' of Hay-Market, Birmingham, sellers of 'cheap clothes& York shoe warehouse' wholesale and retail. on the other side it says Allins panorama grand exhibition admit 1s, any of you history buffs got any information?
F
Forward
Guest
From my Token book -Tradesmen’s Tickets and Private Tokens 1785 - 1819
Can’t scan pages yet as abode is upside down with all the work being done. However typed this for you.
John Allin was a tailor, clothier, and boot and shoe salesman with a business in the Hay Market, Birmingham. He was also the proprietor of a panorama and this advertisement ticket was struck to attract the attention to both his show and business at the corner of Congreve and Ann Streets,; the latter was also known as Mount Pleasant. Allin later moved to New Street and styled his house the flag. He used poetical puffing to his advertisements.
Ray
Can’t scan pages yet as abode is upside down with all the work being done. However typed this for you.
John Allin was a tailor, clothier, and boot and shoe salesman with a business in the Hay Market, Birmingham. He was also the proprietor of a panorama and this advertisement ticket was struck to attract the attention to both his show and business at the corner of Congreve and Ann Streets,; the latter was also known as Mount Pleasant. Allin later moved to New Street and styled his house the flag. He used poetical puffing to his advertisements.
Ray
There is this reference to a clothes shop of John Allin , taylor hatter & haberdasher described as at the top of New St https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/3163455?max=1&offset=1&lookfor=author-browse:"Allin,%20John,%20tailor" but its on one of those academic only access (or large payment) sites.
The 1815 directory does list :
Allin William, hatter, hosier, lin«n draper, &c. Congreve-street, and Ann-street
The open libray lists a book of 1800 on ~Allin's firm, but the library isn't very open as its not available to view.
A tradecard for “Allin’s Cheap Clothes Warehouse, Birmingham;</SPAN> “ is apparently shown in a book on the british cotton trade (https://www.pickeringchatto.com/major_works/the_british_cotton_trade_1660_1815)
The firm probably was the foreunner of John Allin Jones. An advert for which is shown at https://www.search.revolutionaryplayers.org.uk/engine/resource/default.asp?theme=266&originator=/engine/theme/default.asp&page=&records=&direction=&pointer=288&text=0&resource=3287
mike
The 1815 directory does list :
Allin William, hatter, hosier, lin«n draper, &c. Congreve-street, and Ann-street
The open libray lists a book of 1800 on ~Allin's firm, but the library isn't very open as its not available to view.
A tradecard for “Allin’s Cheap Clothes Warehouse, Birmingham;</SPAN> “ is apparently shown in a book on the british cotton trade (https://www.pickeringchatto.com/major_works/the_british_cotton_trade_1660_1815)
The firm probably was the foreunner of John Allin Jones. An advert for which is shown at https://www.search.revolutionaryplayers.org.uk/engine/resource/default.asp?theme=266&originator=/engine/theme/default.asp&page=&records=&direction=&pointer=288&text=0&resource=3287
mike
Nicholas
master brummie
I happened to be speaking with someone last night who basically scoffed at the pursuit of metal detecting, dubbing all such practitioners as 'saddo-types', wandering around fields in all weathers in the hope of digging up bits of scrap and so forth!! (and the chap concerned claimed to have an interest in history, I hasten to add!!)
Luckily, I was in a position to whip out the following object.... being a simple (yet fairly pretty) button I pulled from the ground on a Staffordshire property a few weeks back:
The wording on the front is: 'Beatie Qui Durant' - which apparently means: 'Blessed are they who endure' or 'Blessed are the Durants'. The Durant family previously owned a lot of the land we were detecting on when I discovered it. It was said that, in the area concerned, one of the male Durant line had a child in every cottage in the area - the rogue!!! Laugh, laugh!!
On the reverse of the button is the wording: 'Ledsam and Sons - London'. These were, apparently, Ledsam and Sons 'Birmingham' Button Warehouse (who, in 1823, were situated) in Cateaton St, London. Cateaton Street is now Gresham Street in the city of London, it seems...... which - utilising the wonders of the internet - I was able to go and have a look around on Google Street View!! Laugh!! (Not that there is anything left of the thoroughfare that anyone from 1823 would recognise, of course!! Laugh!!)
'And all that from a little button.....' I finally said.
'Fair-nuff.....' he replied. Laugh, laugh!!!
Someone just asked me on FaceBook if I liked watching the TV series 'Mud Men' and I replied that I loved their 'not for the money, but for the history' philosophy. Okay, anyone in their right mind would like to find a few million quids worth of gold, at the end of the day - or some important, National treasure - but the above mentioned 'button' perfectly summed this entire subject up for me.....
All the best.
Luckily, I was in a position to whip out the following object.... being a simple (yet fairly pretty) button I pulled from the ground on a Staffordshire property a few weeks back:
The wording on the front is: 'Beatie Qui Durant' - which apparently means: 'Blessed are they who endure' or 'Blessed are the Durants'. The Durant family previously owned a lot of the land we were detecting on when I discovered it. It was said that, in the area concerned, one of the male Durant line had a child in every cottage in the area - the rogue!!! Laugh, laugh!!
On the reverse of the button is the wording: 'Ledsam and Sons - London'. These were, apparently, Ledsam and Sons 'Birmingham' Button Warehouse (who, in 1823, were situated) in Cateaton St, London. Cateaton Street is now Gresham Street in the city of London, it seems...... which - utilising the wonders of the internet - I was able to go and have a look around on Google Street View!! Laugh!! (Not that there is anything left of the thoroughfare that anyone from 1823 would recognise, of course!! Laugh!!)
'And all that from a little button.....' I finally said.
'Fair-nuff.....' he replied. Laugh, laugh!!!
Someone just asked me on FaceBook if I liked watching the TV series 'Mud Men' and I replied that I loved their 'not for the money, but for the history' philosophy. Okay, anyone in their right mind would like to find a few million quids worth of gold, at the end of the day - or some important, National treasure - but the above mentioned 'button' perfectly summed this entire subject up for me.....
All the best.
Nicholas
master brummie
Thanks Jean.....
As intimated - it's only a worthless (from monetary point of view) button at the end of the day, but the joy for me ('after' wobbling around the fields for hours on end in the fresh air, of course... laugh!!!) is seeing if I can place such, once commonplace, objects in some form of historical context.
A couple of finds from Saturday morning (just gone) were two of 'penny tokens' - again, not worth even a penny any more, probably - laugh!! - but fascinating non-the-less:
The one above dates from 1803, issued by Horton and Company, and was, apparently, the last token to carry an edge inscription in England. (This on my example is only barely viewable and far too damaged / worn to make out in any way). Apparently (quote): "The 1801 and 1803 Stafford tokens were issued in defiance of the Act of Parliament in 1797 forbidding the striking and issuing of commercial coins, to support the regal copper issues of 1797 and 1799".
I'd initially thought the example below was merely a very corroded disk of some description on digging it out of the ground, but, on cleaning it and musing over the peculiar shape seen on the one face, had a look online (making a mad-stab at it possibly being another token) and realised it was actually a ridiculously damaged example of a 1788 Parys Mines Penny token (see final image)!!! Laugh, laugh!!!!
If you can get into detecting Jean, it can be a really rewarding pursuit, in more ways than one. Fresh air, exercise, gorgeous scenery and hands-on access to our history...... Lovely stuff!! Laugh!!!!
All the best to you.
As intimated - it's only a worthless (from monetary point of view) button at the end of the day, but the joy for me ('after' wobbling around the fields for hours on end in the fresh air, of course... laugh!!!) is seeing if I can place such, once commonplace, objects in some form of historical context.
A couple of finds from Saturday morning (just gone) were two of 'penny tokens' - again, not worth even a penny any more, probably - laugh!! - but fascinating non-the-less:
The one above dates from 1803, issued by Horton and Company, and was, apparently, the last token to carry an edge inscription in England. (This on my example is only barely viewable and far too damaged / worn to make out in any way). Apparently (quote): "The 1801 and 1803 Stafford tokens were issued in defiance of the Act of Parliament in 1797 forbidding the striking and issuing of commercial coins, to support the regal copper issues of 1797 and 1799".
I'd initially thought the example below was merely a very corroded disk of some description on digging it out of the ground, but, on cleaning it and musing over the peculiar shape seen on the one face, had a look online (making a mad-stab at it possibly being another token) and realised it was actually a ridiculously damaged example of a 1788 Parys Mines Penny token (see final image)!!! Laugh, laugh!!!!
If you can get into detecting Jean, it can be a really rewarding pursuit, in more ways than one. Fresh air, exercise, gorgeous scenery and hands-on access to our history...... Lovely stuff!! Laugh!!!!
All the best to you.
sylviasayers
master brummie
Last week the speaker at our monthly meeting of the Shard End Local History Group gave a talk on metal detecting, he emphasised that you must get permission from the landowner before you start your detecting. He also said he did it purely for pleasure and didn't make any fortune from his hobby.
Nicholas
master brummie
Hi Nicholas,
I was tempted to have a go when I lived in the UK. However, don't be tempted to try it in Greece as it is banned and you're likely to find yourself very quickly put in jail! :shocked:
Maurice
Indeed, the pursuit is verboten in a lot of countries, it seems..... but, given some of the problems that have arisen from detecting at times, I think this is probably quite understandable, if I'm honest! Laugh!!
It has to be said that there isn't much that can be done to people who haven't actually obtained permission to detect, to be honest, but - needless to say - it's basically not nice to go traipsing around on other peoples property, of course. I believe the only problem that would arise is when you remove something from the ground and carry it off...... and I think that is construed as theft. As far as I'm concerned, I view it as imperative that you go through the proper channels when securing land, etc, for obvious reasons. At the moment, we have around 3.5 to 4,000 acres of land to detect on - spread over about 15 locations or so - so that should keep us happy for the rest of our natural lives, I think! Laugh!!!
All the best.
W
Wendy
Guest
It's one hobby I have always wanted to do. I love beach combing not that it's the same thing at all but you do need some patience. I have been told it's best to join a club and they will help you with proper procedure. The man who found the hoard did everything correct. If a large collection is found it must be left in situ reported and photographed etc. I remember when the hoard was found we drove past the field which was cordoned off with police tape and police vehicles around the area. We actually thought there had been a murder or something before the news broke. I am with you Nicolas it's all about the history of whatever is found.
Nicholas
master brummie
Hi Wendy,
I'd always fancied having a bash at detecting, for as long as I can remember.... and I must admit that it's only through the kindness of a good friend that I can 'indulge myself' even now! Laugh!!! A few friends of mine 'field walk' - something I've tried briefly myself at times - but, obviously, it's not as revealing as being able to go around with a detector.
Your comments re. the police presence at the site of the Staffs Hoard discovery - not a million miles from me - made me laugh, as I've been told the police were informed of the treasure, but told to keep a low profile...... Cue police helicopters, bunting and everything but a fireworks display and arrow shaped signs saying 'Hoard This Way'!!! Laugh, laugh!!!!
I guess, at the end of the day, we all dream about making a significant discovery - and I obviously wouldn't say no to a share of a few million quid - but, on the whole, I'm just happy finding odds and ends that some poor soul had the misfortune to lose in a field decades or (preferably) centuries ago!
All the best to you.
I'd always fancied having a bash at detecting, for as long as I can remember.... and I must admit that it's only through the kindness of a good friend that I can 'indulge myself' even now! Laugh!!! A few friends of mine 'field walk' - something I've tried briefly myself at times - but, obviously, it's not as revealing as being able to go around with a detector.
Your comments re. the police presence at the site of the Staffs Hoard discovery - not a million miles from me - made me laugh, as I've been told the police were informed of the treasure, but told to keep a low profile...... Cue police helicopters, bunting and everything but a fireworks display and arrow shaped signs saying 'Hoard This Way'!!! Laugh, laugh!!!!
I guess, at the end of the day, we all dream about making a significant discovery - and I obviously wouldn't say no to a share of a few million quid - but, on the whole, I'm just happy finding odds and ends that some poor soul had the misfortune to lose in a field decades or (preferably) centuries ago!
All the best to you.
M
maxwell bullivant
Guest
Had it not been for a metal detectorist the " Staffordshire Hoard " may never have been found. Max
I happened to be speaking with someone last night who basically scoffed at the pursuit of metal detecting, dubbing all such practitioners as 'saddo-types', wandering around fields in all weathers in the hope of digging up bits of scrap and so forth!! (and the chap concerned claimed to have an interest in history, I hasten to add!!)
Luckily, I was in a position to whip out the following object.... being a simple (yet fairly pretty) button I pulled from the ground on a Staffordshire property a few weeks back:
The wording on the front is: 'Beatie Qui Durant' - which apparently means: 'Blessed are they who endure' or 'Blessed are the Durants'. The Durant family previously owned a lot of the land we were detecting on when I discovered it. It was said that, in the area concerned, one of the male Durant line had a child in every cottage in the area - the rogue!!! Laugh, laugh!!
On the reverse of the button is the wording: 'Ledsam and Sons - London'. These were, apparently, Ledsam and Sons 'Birmingham' Button Warehouse (who, in 1823, were situated) in Cateaton St, London. Cateaton Street is now Gresham Street in the city of London, it seems...... which - utilising the wonders of the internet - I was able to go and have a look around on Google Street View!! Laugh!! (Not that there is anything left of the thoroughfare that anyone from 1823 would recognise, of course!! Laugh!!)
'And all that from a little button.....' I finally said.
'Fair-nuff.....' he replied. Laugh, laugh!!!
Someone just asked me on FaceBook if I liked watching the TV series 'Mud Men' and I replied that I loved their 'not for the money, but for the history' philosophy. Okay, anyone in their right mind would like to find a few million quids worth of gold, at the end of the day - or some important, National treasure - but the above mentioned 'button' perfectly summed this entire subject up for me.....
All the best.
wonderful find nicholas...well done you...ive got a metal detector here albeit not a brilliant one but your post has given me thought for having go....and as rightly pointed out by max without them the staffordshire hoard may never have been found..
lyn
Nicholas
master brummie
There are hoards being turned up by metal detectorists quite regularly Maxwell! Laugh!!! One of my favourites is the Frome Hoard, which, if I'm honest, strikes me as a much more fascinating haul than our Staffs offering (Ooops, I'll be burned in effigy for saying that by some!!! Laugh!!): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-12800098
Another fascinating hoard is this one: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...oard-Bronze-Age-axe-heads-metal-detector.html My detecting partner John was chuffed to find a 'fragment' of a bronze axe once, so I'll bet he was pig-sick when he saw this piece!!!! Laugh!!!!
wonderful find nicholas...well done you...ive got a metal detector here albeit not a brilliant one but your post has given me thought for having go....and as rightly pointed out by max without them the staffordshire hoard may never have been found..
lyn
You get out and have a bash Astoness!!!! If you've already got a machine, you've no excuse not to!!!! Laugh!!!!
I have a fun filled morning ahead of me sorting out / through all of my finds over the past year or so. A lot of the stuff gets bagged up and not sorted properly and the other half has had enough now, it seems!!! Laugh!!!
All the best.
Jamie allen
knowlegable brummie
I’m 1 year in to my new hobby metal detecting with my 13 year old son I’ve found some old coins around babbs mill and a old token from next to the river Cole would be very grateful if anyone can shed any light on what this token could be as far as I can see it’s says flinh bro Walpole highway on the one side and 1/2 D on the other side many thanks Jamie
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Jamie allen
knowlegable brummie
And also I found this piece of metal on the river bank next to babbs mill last Sunday I personally think it’s bomb shrapnel,but being new to metal detecting I’m not sure. as ww2 artefacts are my main reason I started this hobby. I would be very grateful for any information anyone could give me as I’m just learning and and starting to learn as much as I can for me and my son , thanks..Jamie
Jamie allen
knowlegable brummie
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knowlegable brummie
Thank you for that information I’m going to try and clean the token up a bit better and see if it is flint bro.
Radiorails
master brummie
There was a great many anti-aircraft sites surrounding Birmingham during WW2, so there is a likelihood of the fragment being shrapnel.
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
I know nothing about tokens etc but a Google search finds this fruit picker token and there are others
http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?topic=8435.30
http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?topic=8435.30
Radiorails
master brummie
This makes a lot of sense to the token. There are a few places in NW Norfolk named Walpole. They are in the black fens, a rural highly agricultural area. It is in this area that King Knut probably lost his crown jewels. The Washlands covered most of this low lying area, as far as the outskirts of Cambridge, until the 17th. century. It is a strange place - to anyone used to trees and hills, but has an eerie magic especially in winter.
maypolebaz
master brummie
I agree, the pre decimal value of the token would be one and a half pennies, or three 'apence as we used to say.
The metal fragment interests me. At first the second two pics seem to show a fragment of a shell from where the driving band was. There's no indication of what size this fragment is but, in the first two pictures, the metal looks segmented and was manufactured that way. How about this being a piece from a Mills bomb ? I can imagine a Home Guard or Army unit throwing a bomb into the river to get rid of it.
The metal fragment interests me. At first the second two pics seem to show a fragment of a shell from where the driving band was. There's no indication of what size this fragment is but, in the first two pictures, the metal looks segmented and was manufactured that way. How about this being a piece from a Mills bomb ? I can imagine a Home Guard or Army unit throwing a bomb into the river to get rid of it.