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jane counsell
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hi ya my great great grandfather is on the census 1891 birmingham workhouse is there anyway of finding out his parents he was abt 6 birth year 1883
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florence butler
master brummie
Hi Jane,
You will need to put in what detail you know about your gg/grandad to get the ball rolling....Best of luck....Florence
You will need to put in what detail you know about your gg/grandad to get the ball rolling....Best of luck....Florence
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jane counsell
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mark henry robbins 1883 born in st georges warwickshire 1963 died in birmingham
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Ann B
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Jane,
This is a photo of the Marston Green Cottage Homes, district Coleshill, taken in 1896. So the family may have still been there, when this photo was taken. The home opened in 1880 to house children from Birmingham's workhouse. The original homes housed 500 children, who were all taught a trade.
Ann
This is a photo of the Marston Green Cottage Homes, district Coleshill, taken in 1896. So the family may have still been there, when this photo was taken. The home opened in 1880 to house children from Birmingham's workhouse. The original homes housed 500 children, who were all taught a trade.
Ann
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Pomgolian
Kiwi Brummie
I have found a lot of Info' for Jane about Mark's parents and family on her other thread 'HELP' https://forum.birminghamhistory.co.uk/showthread.php?t=16314&highlight=Robbins
and also in an IM i sent to her.
However, I have still not been able to find 'Mark Henry Robins/bbins' for her.
Could someone else try looking, I've tried all variants that I can think of from 1877 (The parents marriage) to 1891. On the 1891 census he is 6 yrs old birmingham workhouse.
This was the only Mark I could find:
Births Mar 1885
Robins Mark Newton A 5b115
I found a Henry Richard 1883 and a Henry Ernest 1887 both B'Ham., but can't see how they could be Mark Henry
Pom :angel:
and also in an IM i sent to her.
However, I have still not been able to find 'Mark Henry Robins/bbins' for her.
Could someone else try looking, I've tried all variants that I can think of from 1877 (The parents marriage) to 1891. On the 1891 census he is 6 yrs old birmingham workhouse.
This was the only Mark I could find:
Births Mar 1885
Robins Mark Newton A 5b115
I found a Henry Richard 1883 and a Henry Ernest 1887 both B'Ham., but can't see how they could be Mark Henry
Pom :angel:
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jane counsell
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thank you both for you hard work
thats the only census i found him on 1881 and christine found the 1901.
really greatful as really want to complete the family tree for my grandad as he knows nothing
im in contact with a second cousin once removed who doesnt just wanna give me the family tree as she doesnt want to spoil the enjoyment but i can email her anything we find and she can let me know if im on the right tracks. she did say it was a VERY hard line in the tree to follow and harriet at a very hard and intresting back ground
many thanks jane x
thats the only census i found him on 1881 and christine found the 1901.
really greatful as really want to complete the family tree for my grandad as he knows nothing
im in contact with a second cousin once removed who doesnt just wanna give me the family tree as she doesnt want to spoil the enjoyment but i can email her anything we find and she can let me know if im on the right tracks. she did say it was a VERY hard line in the tree to follow and harriet at a very hard and intresting back ground
many thanks jane x
Shera
true brummie
hello again jane
i dont know whether ive found the birth of mark henry robbins for you.
there is a mark henry joseph born oct-dec 1883 birmingham. 6d 147
i wondered whether the surname had been mis transcribed using the fathers name instead of the surname, if you understand what i mean.
instead of mark henry robbins .... mark henry joseph (joseph being the fathers christian name).
i have im`d pom to check if its possible and pom suggests you request the certificate if it is the correct parents and surname. you will not be charged if they check and its not the right one.
all the best chris
i dont know whether ive found the birth of mark henry robbins for you.
there is a mark henry joseph born oct-dec 1883 birmingham. 6d 147
i wondered whether the surname had been mis transcribed using the fathers name instead of the surname, if you understand what i mean.
instead of mark henry robbins .... mark henry joseph (joseph being the fathers christian name).
i have im`d pom to check if its possible and pom suggests you request the certificate if it is the correct parents and surname. you will not be charged if they check and its not the right one.
all the best chris
Ann, my wife's Mom and Aunt were raised and educated at the cottage homes in Coleshill Road, Marston Green having been sent there as their widower father was a drunk and beat them frequently and fed them less so.
Coincidentaly, I was born and raised in Marston Green. We lived at the far end of Elmdon Lane, maybe a mile from the homes which were, by then, changed to a Mental Home and occupied by harmless but homeless mental patients, some of whom had paper rounds, as did I.
The site of the homes was developed into a commercial/offices complex fairly recently but the Gatehouse and two of the cottages remain.
After the demise of Mom and Aunt but before the development of the site, I gave a tour of the place to several members of my wife's family all of whom were intrigued and a little tearful to visit the place which had been the source of many, many tales from their mother.
I should add that they all live in or near Darlington, where my wife's aunt eventually settled and married.
I have many memories of the Cottage Homes in particular and Marston Green in general. I now live in Water Orton and frequently pass through my old stamping ground.
If anyone wants or needs information on this topic please contact me. I'd be happy to share my memories.
Ian
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Ann B
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Hi Ian,
A warm welcome to the forum. I think the photograph of the home that I posted was out of a Sheldon history book and I think there was at least one other. And it included a lot of photos of Marston Green as well. I'll have to get it out of the library again. I can't imagine how your wife's family felt, when you took that walk round the home.
Ann
A warm welcome to the forum. I think the photograph of the home that I posted was out of a Sheldon history book and I think there was at least one other. And it included a lot of photos of Marston Green as well. I'll have to get it out of the library again. I can't imagine how your wife's family felt, when you took that walk round the home.
Ann
Ann, many thanks for your welcome. I have more to add! My Dad's last job was as one of the maintenance staff at the homes/hospital and he and I would often partake of a beer or two(?) together in the staff social club.
We, as a family, also attended infrequent concerts at the small theatre in the grounds.
I'd be very grateful if you could let me know where I might find the book you refer to, local history is a topic that I thoroughly enjoy.
My best regards,
Ian
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Ann B
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Ian,
Looking at Sheldon Library web page, I think the book was 'Around Sheldon' by Margaret D. Green. I've bought a copy today off E Bay, while I was looking. There were also copies on Amazon. I'll go to Sheldon Library tomorrow and check that it is the one with those photos.
Many moons ago, I went to see several very good amateur productions at Arden Hall Water Orton.
Ann
Looking at Sheldon Library web page, I think the book was 'Around Sheldon' by Margaret D. Green. I've bought a copy today off E Bay, while I was looking. There were also copies on Amazon. I'll go to Sheldon Library tomorrow and check that it is the one with those photos.
Many moons ago, I went to see several very good amateur productions at Arden Hall Water Orton.
Ann
pollypops
master brummie
I found this information on Cottge Homes in the CITY OF BIRMINGHAM HANDBOOK 1933
I couldn't get the book in the scanner so have typed it out as it appears in the book.
Cottage Homes
Under the provisions of the Local Government Act, 1929, the care and training of children at the Cottage Homes at Erdington, Marston Green and Shenley Fields was transferred from the late Board of Guardians to the City Council and delegated to the Education Committee.
The Homes have accommodation for 1,168 children ranging from two to sixteen years of age, and the “family” mainly consists of orphans, children of depraved or vicious parents, children deserted by one or both parents, and illegitimate children.
The cottages occupied by girls are in charge of a foster-mother, who trains the older ones in the care of the younger, as well as in ordinary domestic duties; and a few of the boys’ Cottages are in charge of by a foster-father and mother
Boys over fourteen years of age are given some instruction in carpentry, baking, painting, tailoring, shoemaking, or engineering.
Physical exercise is not overlooked. Girls are taught hockey and netball; boys, football and cricket; and both are taught swimming.
Each group of Homes has an infirmary with an appropriate staff, and doctors and dentists are appointed to visit the children at the Homes.
The educational system at Erdington differs from that at the other Homes. The children at Marston Green and Shenley Fields attend Schools within the grounds; Erdington has a School for infants only. The other children attending public elementary Schools in the locality.
Evening Continuation Classes are held at the Marston Green Homes and the children at Erdington and Shenley Fields attend classes held in those neighbourhoods.
I couldn't get the book in the scanner so have typed it out as it appears in the book.
Cottage Homes
Under the provisions of the Local Government Act, 1929, the care and training of children at the Cottage Homes at Erdington, Marston Green and Shenley Fields was transferred from the late Board of Guardians to the City Council and delegated to the Education Committee.
The Homes have accommodation for 1,168 children ranging from two to sixteen years of age, and the “family” mainly consists of orphans, children of depraved or vicious parents, children deserted by one or both parents, and illegitimate children.
The cottages occupied by girls are in charge of a foster-mother, who trains the older ones in the care of the younger, as well as in ordinary domestic duties; and a few of the boys’ Cottages are in charge of by a foster-father and mother
Boys over fourteen years of age are given some instruction in carpentry, baking, painting, tailoring, shoemaking, or engineering.
Physical exercise is not overlooked. Girls are taught hockey and netball; boys, football and cricket; and both are taught swimming.
Each group of Homes has an infirmary with an appropriate staff, and doctors and dentists are appointed to visit the children at the Homes.
The educational system at Erdington differs from that at the other Homes. The children at Marston Green and Shenley Fields attend Schools within the grounds; Erdington has a School for infants only. The other children attending public elementary Schools in the locality.
Evening Continuation Classes are held at the Marston Green Homes and the children at Erdington and Shenley Fields attend classes held in those neighbourhoods.
Alan Tucker
master brummie
There is a lot of documentation on the MG Cottage Homes e.g. annual reports in the Heritage part of Birmingham Reference Library.