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Birds Of Aston/ Moss Brothers

birdy2129

birdy2129

proper brummie kid
My great grandad Arthur Thomas Bird. Born Aston 1893 Married Clara at wash wood Heath 1916
He was killed in ww1 and she re married and became a smith
Word is she had a sister that married frank moss .
My dad always said he is related to the moss brothers. My nan used to tell him

Any help???? Thanks all xx.
 
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birdy2129 said:
My great grandad Arthur Thomas Bird. Born Aston 1893 Married Clara at wash wood Heath 1916
He was killed in ww1 and she re married and became a smith
Word is she had a sister that married frank moss .
My dad always said he is related to the moss brothers. My nan used to tell him

Any help???? Thanks all xx.
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Charlotte Bird owned the Greengrocery Shop 142 Lichfield Rd, Aston by the tram stop I remember her very well she had a son Frank born 1924
 
birdy2129 said:
My great grandad Arthur Thomas Bird. Born Aston 1893 Married Clara at wash wood Heath 1916
He was killed in ww1 and she re married and became a smith
Word is she had a sister that married frank moss .
My dad always said he is related to the moss brothers. My nan used to tell him

Any help???? Thanks all xx.
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Do you know her maiden name? I looked for a marriage but the only 1916 one I found for Clara Groom was to Joseph Bird. The other marriage was Arthur to a Clara Johnson but in 1914.
 
birdy2129 said:
My great grandad Arthur Thomas Bird. Born Aston 1893 Married Clara at wash wood Heath 1916
He was killed in ww1 and she re married and became a smith
Word is she had a sister that married frank moss .
My dad always said he is related to the moss brothers. My nan used to tell him

Any help???? Thanks all xx.
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Arthur Thomas Bird army no 20853 in Coldstream Guards he died from wounds in Flanders 13 May 1918 his army records shows no wife.
In 1911 he was single living in 116 George Arthur Rd Saltley and was a porter Morther Elizabeth Bird father William Bird

Arthur Thomas Bird did marry an Elizabeth Johnson which I think the Charlotte Bird On Lichfield Rd is no right.
 
Hi
Thanks for info
Arthur Thomas bird of Coldstream guards was my great grandad killed on the Somme 2018 . His dad was William bird and lived George Arthur street
He married Clara in 1914 . Sorry I put 1916
They had two kids George and Arthur

When he was killed a year after she married a man called me smith. But word was that she had a sister that married the footballer
 
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Arthur Thomas Bird army no 20853 in Coldstream Guards he died from wounds in Flanders 13 May 1918 his army records shows no wife.
In 1911 he was single living in 116 George Arthur Rd Saltley and was a porter Morther Elizabeth Bird father William Bird

Arthur Thomas Bird did marry an Elizabeth Johnson which I think the Charlotte Bird On Lichfield Rd is no right.
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On the Soldiers' Effects records a wife is the recipient of the war gratuity. If the marriage was 1914 then it was Clara Johnson. Now we can look for a sister.
 

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Glad to help. Do you happen to have the marriage cert for Arthur and Clara? Only Clara Johnson seems to be a common name on the 1911 census and it is proving difficult to locate the right one to see if she had any sisters. I wondered what the Father's name was on the cert.
 
George Samuel Johnson was the father of Clara
Found this out just

I'm
Wondering if it's easier to look at the moss brothers trees and see how or if they link in
 

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At the moment baptism records do not show another daughter (sister to Clara).
 

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These are from Ancestry (I subscribe). If you want the other records (as I did for Clara) then they are there. Even thought the churches are different I think they are all the same family - George's job was Engine Driver. Some records are also on Family Search for free - although not the baptism ones.
 
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George Samuel Johnson was the father of Clara
Found this out just

I'm
Wondering if it's easier to look at the moss brothers trees and see how or if they link in
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I had a quick look at the Moss' who played for the Villa.

Frank Moss snr married Katie Jackson 6 Aug 1916 Aston Brook

Frank jnr married Dorothy M Bower, registered Bham, Sep qtr 1938

Amos married Barbara Hancock, registered Worcester, Jun qtr 1945

Frank Moss snr was the son of George Henry Moss & Sarah Ann Sollis

None of the wives seem to have been married previously.
 
I suppose it depends which "moss bros". I even tried to see if Clara's mother, also Clara, had any sisters.
 
From 1911 census Clara's Mother had 12 children (my baptism record only shows 9) by 1911 8 were dead!! This might mean another sister that I have not found.
 
No way that's sad Shame so many babies died

Ok, , , geroge Samuel Johnson the father of Clara, , , had a sister called Alice Johnson.
There's a marriage between Alice Johnson and a Thomas moss. .
I wonder if Thomas moss had a brother frank
Gosh this is exciting
 
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Alice Johnson was daughter of William Johnson and Ellen burnham who were married 22/12/1867
Alice married Thomas moss who was born 1883.
So I'm wounderng If Thomas moss is the brother frank moss senior who was born 17:4 : 1895
 
Frank Moss' mother Sarah Ann Sollis was born c1871, so too young to be the mother of Thomas b1883,
 
George parents were William Johnson and Ellen burman they had 7 children ada Alice Ellen rose Sarah George and Sarah Jane. I found all this out when I used to belong to ancestry com X


That was from a cousin of my dads
 
The family who started Moss Bros, were not named moss but Moses.
The clothing retailer business was started by Moses Moses b 1821 and carried on by his sons Abraham, Lewis,and David.
Perhaps the brothers became Moss Bros.
 
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