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Barbara Youlden, Coal Dealer-newtown/aston

bren

bren

master brummie
Although i never knew my grandmother i can remember tales of her owning/running a coal yard, her name was --

Mrs.Barbara Youlden

For some reason Phillips Street seems to ring a little bell in my head, i would be very grateful if you could find this for me, this bell is annoying LOL


Bren
 
Coal Dealer - Newtown/Aston

Hi Bren, there was a small coal dealer situated in Talford Street Aston, just behind the Talford pub, the Talford was on the corner of Talford/Phillips Street. Unfortunately I am not sure who owned it but the name Youlden seems to ring a bell, I'm not sure but I think there was some connection between the coal yard and a little hucksters shop called Brotherhoods which was on the corner of Talford Street and Webster Street.
 
The Coaldealer in Talford Street was Brotherhood.......when the astonbrook site first started up way back when....one of the first bits of data was a list of the local Coal dealers, Boot/shoe repairers and pubs around the Aston area.....you can still view them via the main Aston site.
 
Hi Sylvia, you have just made my day, i was the youngest in my family and never knew g/parents etc but just little snippets of what i heard as a kid so that information you posted didn't mean a thing to me until i read the name Brotherhood, BINGO, they was family i discovered doing my family tree so you have well and truely nailed it for me, absolutelly fantastic. I wonder if i could ask if you have a time period in your memory for this.

Gratefully yours, Bren
 
Hi John, Thanks for that link i will go and have a browse now.

This is turning out to be a good day for me, thank you all


Bren
 
Coal Dealer - Newtown/Aston

Hi Bren, I am so pleased I was able to help you by putting in another piece of the jigsaw. I remember the Brotherhoods around the end of the war, I was only a young girl, but I do have a cutting from the Birmingham Evening Mail dated 29th January 2000 from Carl Chinn's page which you might be able to get a copy of as it shows a part of the shop and a lady and child struggling with an old pram obviously going to the coal yard. This is a quote from Molly Hinton, who I also remember which might interest you.

"On the corner of Talford and Webster Street, the shop was bought by Molly's mother and her partner in 1945, the shop had been owned by Mrs. Sarah Brotherhood who also had the adjoining premises at 53 Webster Street, where she used to take in artistes from the Aston Hippodrome, giving them bed and breakfast.....................Behind the shop was a large blue sliding door into the coalyard where we had about 12 barrows and when a coal delivery arrived (as that was also on ration) the customers would see it and be down to get theirs"
 
John K
Thanks for that, it was there just as you said, i wish my memory was that good.

sylviasayers
You little star, once again i cannot tell you how grateful i am for your input and your memories. By the time i came along my family had moved away from Aston/ Newtown so i only have a very limited memory of visits when i was in shorts and to have them confirmed so emphatically is fantastic for me. Had you not mentioned Brotherhood (nee Youlden) i might have missed out on all this and as for that quote from that article it is a great gem of fact in my family history and i have already made enquiries about getting a copy.
Once again, Thank You

Bren
 
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Coal Dealer- Newtown/Aston

Bren, as I posted previously I was glad to be able to help, that is what this site is all about, and what goes round comes around. I have a vague recollection and it is only vague as I was very young that part of the Brotherhood family and possibly Youldon.. (that name rings a bell) lived in Burlington Street late 1950s/60s. Can I also suggest that you go on the main site where there is a thread Streets of Aston, compiled by John Colin which lists the surnames of people eligible to vote (over 21) at the time. Try Webster/Talford/Burlington Streets this may give you further clues to your family.
 
coal dealers

Sarah Brotherhood owned the shop in Webster street and the coal yard in Talford street
 
Hi all

Thought i would give you an update

A young chap who has just started his family tree and joined this site last week read this thread and has contacted me. He told his mother about the information on this thread given to me and it turns out she is my cousin and she was able to not only confirm the specific information Sylvia gave but add to it. It would seem that this has rekindled her memory and at 79yrs of age she has a lot to remember about family and life in Aston and Newtown. She, along with her husband have managed various pubs in and around Brum including The Share Holders and The Lamp Lighter.

All this was made possible by those who added to this thread that was started with just a small memory of a coal yard i hard heard of as a kid so as you can imagine i am over the moon so once again

Thank you All


Bren
 
Just to let everyone concerned know,Sarah Brotherhood was my grandmother, her son Albert and his wife Joyce (my parents)worked many hours in that coalyard,Raymond,Hazel and Rose also lived there
 
Hi all, it just goes to show you never know how close you might be to your relatives. Few weeks ago i found Barry had left a message on the Ancestry site, just a few of his family names, i was putting random names into the search and up popped the Sarah mentioned above. We have since been e-mailing and i sent him a link to this thread only to find that he has been a member for twelve months but has never posted but has been reading everything but some how missed this post. It is thanks to Sylvia that she remembered so much with so much detail that this thread has become of much significance to me and my research, even more so now, the Grandmother of Bazaston was also my Aunt



Thank You Sylvia


bren
 
bren said:
Although i never knew my grandmother i can remember tales of her owning/running a coal yard, her name was --

Mrs.Barbara Youlden

For some reason Phillips Street seems to ring a little bell in my head, i would be very grateful if you could find this for me, this bell is annoying LOL


Bren
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Hi Bren, I hope you and the family are well.

Just talking to Mom about the old coal yard and shop funnily enough and I started searching the old web and came accross your post.

Mom was telling me about her gran Barbara who use to own the shop & Coal yard back in those days(C. 1934 ish).

She was telling me that Barbaras daughter Sarah married Sam Brotherhood and eventually they took over the two buildings following a promise that they would buy the business but no money was ever paid according to Barbara. Mom stresses that she herself was only a young girl at this time and didn't understand the full argument.

Mom remembers having to move into Sarah's old house at 84 Burlington Street with Barbara.
Barbara told my mother that she was swindled out of the business and never paid a penny by Sarah, even to the point of huge family arguments where Sarah was quoted as saying, "I'll P**% on your grave when you are dead".:shh: They never spoke after that.
My mother still says she can never forgive what Sarah did to her gran. She did however still remained good friends with Hazel who was Sarahs daughter along with Raymond and Rose. Sadly I think Rose died in her 20s.

The shop was at 55 Burlington Street. The Coalyard was on the Phillip St side I think.

I did have an old photo of it but haven't been able to find it.

Mom remembers it being a double fronted shop. Gran had a servant and the house above was pretty grand.
Mom remembers that one day as the maid said she was leaving, Gran Youlden couldn't find her diamond ring. She then told the maid that she wouldn't get out of the shop untill she opened her suitcase.....she did.....and the ring was inside. The maid was then errrrr thrown out of the house and told she would get no references.

There were stables behind the shop and a workshop too. Mom remembers the men leaving the yard on the horse drawn coal carts shouting " King Coal".

I'm typing this as she is telling it to me now lol

She could go on forever so apologies for the fragmentation:)

Edit We just saw the images of Albert Brotherhood and mom tells me that he was such a lovely kind and happy man.

Hope to add more soon

Regards

Marc
 
Re: Coal Dealer - Newtown/Aston

Hi Sylvisayers, according to my mother it wasn't Sarah Brotherhood who took in the artists it was her Gran, Barbarah Youlden.
 
Hi Marc welcome to the Forum, the quote about the artistes from the Birmingham Hippodrome came from Molly Hinton whose mother bought the shop after your family, this was something I didn't know about. The shop was not in Burlington Street but on the corner of Webster/Talford Street. Ypu have confirmed something for me though I was pretty sure Mrs. Youlden your great grandmother lived in Burlington Street, and I think No.84 was a couple of doors from a little factory which made guards for covering windows etc., I can't remember the name of this factory although I lived opposite from 1958 to 1967 when I was married. Perhaps this snippet will jog your mother's memory.
 
#22. Bren have only just caught up on this thread and I met Albert a few times while visiting Pauline. I remember always being made welcome. Jean.
 
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