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Abbreviations And Titles WWI

As Paul said in post #28, there wasn't a rank of Colour Sgt Major. "CSM" represents "Company Sergeant Major"
 
What is the difference please.In Colour and Company SM. He attained the CSM in 4 and a half years. It was notes that he had risen through the ranks quickly on the Notification of Impending Release.It has 4 stamps they being 4th Bn. KSLI , GMD DLL York, Education Officer DOW Rgt and a Disembarkation stamp.Just found crosses swoeds emblem on Army Personnel. Got my info from Glasgow, they suggested there might be more information though what more I don't kow from Richmond Archives, Imperial War Museum and MOD Medal Office Gloucester. I know who has his medals I wish I was able to hold them just once. Nico.
 
Nico, it was common during prolonged periods of warfare to get accelerated promotion, but to make CSM in 4years is going somewhat, in Peacetime it would normally take about 15 years, the pre-fix rank of "Colour", denots a SNCO rank between Sgt and CSM, with three chevrons surmounted by a crown. This was introduced in the early 19th C, before that the rank carried 4 chevrons, you may ahave seen paintings from the Peninsular war , and Waterloo with Serjeants carring short (spears) Pikes these were the NCO's designated to defend the Regimental colour during battle, KSLI . I know, but not the others, Chocks, the SLR, 7.62, a derivative of the (Belgian FN), was introjuced into the British Army in around June 1962.
Paul
 
paul stacey said:
Nico, it was common during prolonged periods of warfare to get accelerated promotion, but to make CSM in 4years is going somewhat, in Peacetime it would normally take about 15 years, the pre-fix rank of "Colour", denots a SNCO rank between Sgt and CSM, with three chevrons surmounted by a crown. This was introduced in the early 19th C, before that the rank carried 4 chevrons, you may ahave seen paintings from the Peninsular war , and Waterloo with Serjeants carring short (spears) Pikes these were the NCO's designated to defend the Regimental colour during battle, KSLI . I know, but not the others, Chocks, the SLR, 7.62, a derivative of the (Belgian FN), was introjuced into the British Army in around June 1962.
Paul
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I knew it was the 60's, slightly earlier than I thought.
 
Hello Baz Chocks and Paul
On some grainy photos of him it shows him in one carrying what looks like a metal tipped short baton,the tip looks like a big bead, another shows a thin line colours on his left jacket breast, a bage I can't make out in the beret, very large emblems on both arms towards the cuffs, another shows him with a plaited rope (pardon my ignorance lads) in his right breast pocket, in 1945 Germany he is pictured on an amoured vehicle the angle is bad but I can make out 3 chevrons on his right arm, and what looks like bands on the same epaulette. He is at the front and there are 2 other men standing like him in it plus the driver. It has a very big 60 over the right wheel arch.
Nico
 
Nico said:
Hello Baz Chocks and Paul
On some grainy photos of him it shows him in one carrying what looks like a metal tipped short baton,the tip looks like a big bead, another shows a thin line colours on his left jacket breast, a bage I can't make out in the beret, very large emblems on both arms towards the cuffs, another shows him with a plaited rope (pardon my ignorance lads) in his right breast pocket, in 1945 Germany he is pictured on an amoured vehicle the angle is bad but I can make out 3 chevrons on his right arm, and what looks like bands on the same epaulette. He is at the front and there are 2 other men standing like him in it plus the driver. It has a very big 60 over the right wheel arch.
Nico
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The "baton" you've described sounds like a description of that old favourite on this site, the swagger stick ! The "plaited rope" is probably his lanyard, an item of uniform worn by many regiments. I'd need to see the photographs to contribute further.
 
The row of colours above the breast pocket would be his medal ribbons. The Lanyard is usually (but not always) the regimental colours plaited together for ordinary ranks and NCO's whereas Officers generaly wore a lanyard of one colour, usualy the principle regimental colour and a more senior officer would wear a gold one.
The Baton would be as Baz said a "Swagger Stick" although it's proper name is a "Regimental Stick". Swagger has crept into English usage from America since WW2.
Like Baz, without seeing the photograph it is difficult to add to this.
If he was still in the DWR at the time, this is the badge that would be on his beret.

DWR_Cap_Badge_Brass.jpg
 
chocks2 said:
The row of colours above the breast pocket would be his medal ribbons. The Lanyard is usually (but not always) the regimental colours plaited together for ordinary ranks and NCO's whereas Officers generaly wore a lanyard of one colour, usualy the principle regimental colour and a more senior officer would wear a gold one.
The Baton would be as Baz said a "Swagger Stick" although it's proper name is a "Regimental Stick". Swagger has crept into English usage from America since WW2.
Like Baz, without seeing the photograph it is difficult to add to this.


If he was still in the DWR at the time, this is the badge that would be on his beret.

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Yes, I enlarged the photo and this is the badge. The lanyard looks to be one colour and light. Will endeavour to send photos but don't hold your breath!
 
Hi Donbogen, just a caveat, to your post 7.62 SLR, I joined the Army as a boy in 1962, though we still had the .303 for drill, and the Foot Guards, used it for Public Duties, we used the SLR on the Range. I went into men's service at the end of 63, and we were issued with them then, for all drills!!!
 
paul stacey said:
Hi Donbogen, just a caveat, to your post 7.62 SLR, I joined the Army as a boy in 1962, though we still had the .303 for drill, and the Foot Guards, used it for Public Duties, we used the SLR on the Range. I went into men's service at the end of 63, and we were issued with them then, for all drills!!!
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Hi
i served 76/84 by then it was full on SLR mine was wood furniture Rack No 24 in red for HQ Coy
we had the Envoy with Enfield bolt action for sniping but in 7.62
i recall the training film stating 1955
All the old sweats in my Coy had trained on the SMLE
Example i had 58 patt webbing they were still wearing 44 patt
i have SLR bayonet somewhere it is dated 1957 its a L1A1 not L1A3 as i had for my rifle
Thanks for the information
Very Interesting
 
Hello Brother,!!! I still have a roll of 4x3, a small can of gun oi, and my SLR maintenance kit tin box with pull through , gas cleaner brush , amazing A!!
 
paul stacey said:
Hello Brother,!!! I still have a roll of 4x3, a small can of gun oi, and my SLR maintenance kit tin box with pull through , gas cleaner brush , amazing A!!
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Hi
Great stuff
that gas plug was a bugger to clean
used the gas settings at Zero when using blanks
also a low setting when were using the .22 Cal
H&K conversion kit
 
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