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I've also finally found a photo of Ada (the first time I've seen her picture), at her son Jack (John) and Madge's wedding in 1944. Ada is on the far left, with possibly William Chambers standing next to her.

In case anyone is interested in our latest discoveries, my sister was contacted by a distant relative who has discovered that we have a DNA connection to her via the Winfields! This would strongly suggest that John Winfield was indeed Jack's father (or perhaps another Winfield was). Although it...

Finally received Jack's birth certificate - sadly the father's name/occupation is empty. I did find some interesting info on John Winfield in the British newspaper archives though - he provided an alibi at the trial of a friend who was accused of shooting an 8-year-old child in the face with...

Ah ok that's helpful thank you - I'll keep looking through my matches and see if any have descendants from Birmingham at least, and ask my uncle to do the same - if there is a genetic link to the winfields somewhere then hopefully something will appear eventually

That's a very interesting idea, dad's eldest brother (John Joseph's first son) has taken a dna test so I'll ask him to check for matches with any Winfields I've also done a dna test but I can't find anyone with Winfields in their tree in my matches (but not everyone has publicly listed trees...

Oh yes, that's an interesting possibility.

Thank you for checking again that's most appreciated. Fingers crossed the birth certificate sheds some light but it's a good point re the surname being Houldcroft, my gut feeling is still that Winfield isn't the father despite his being on the scene beforehand but I suspect we'll never know for...

Oh that's a very good point - I'd either not noticed or immediately forgotten that had been discovered! Perhaps he was his father then but Jack was told otherwise for some reason? Or perhaps Jack just disliked him and convinced himself that John wasnt his real dad. Hopefully the birth...

Wow! Yes definitely a lot of fibs being told back then. I feel like the fact that Ada married John Winfield so soon after Jack's birth perhaps gives even more weight to his not being the father, as she could have so easily just lied and told people (including Jack and other relatives) that John...

Thank you! I had thought having an unusual name like Houldcroft might make research much easier but you're right, there are so many inconsistencies with spelling it actually gets quite confusing! My dad actually started the research off so I'm just finishing it for him but I'm really enjoying...

Thank you - I haven't seen this address for Mary before so that will definitely be helpful when I look into her more thoroughly :-)

Thanks so much for the photos these are fantastic! I've found a few on here for various locations my ancestors have lived (or nearby) but I hadn't seen these.

I haven't seen a middle name for her anywhere yet, perhaps it will be on John Joseph's birth certificate (which I've now ordered)

I've ordered a copy but I suspect it will be blank as John never knew who his father was

Yes well spotted, it is Mary Jane

Thank you so much - everyone's been an incredible help already. Yes it's the 1911 census I haven't been able to find her on.

Thank you all so much for your help - this goes way beyond anything I'd hoped for! I'll take a look at everything properly tomorrow and try to answer any queries if I can

Hi I'm creating a family tree/history book of my dad's ancestors to share with his siblings as we lost Dad to Covid last year and his siblings, who all live abroad, are coming back for a get together next May. I've found tons of information from ancestry.co.uk and on this fantastic forum but...