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Hi again Mike. Sorry to trouble you again but I have another question. I agree there's nothing on the map to show anywhere to make a cuppa, but on the photos, on the Lozells Road, there is a wood and glass building shown, like a summer house. On the ENTIRE photo there is no pipe coming out of...

Sorry to trouble you again. But I've been told that one of the four founders lived near to Villa Cross in Little Hunters Lane. I can't find that on my map. Was it maybe the very top of Hunters Lane past the junction with Barker Street or was it elsewhere?

Wow! Thanks for that. I was a bit confused by some of the markings on the map I purchased, and now I understand why. L.H lamp house. Is that the conservatory type waiting room. I see the cab stand on Heathfield Road on the map has no L.H. What did they mean by cab stand? Was it just the strip of...

For all following this thread, an important clip from an ordinance survey map dated 1888. https://midland-ancestors.shop/BH-LXVIII.16.25?search=BH-LXVIII.16.25

Thank you all for pursuing this line of investigation. From the BNA I had read the plans for tramways along Heathfield Road and Barker Street, but had never read evidence that they existed. Now I know why; they never did. I bought an online ordinance survey map for 1888. Thumbnail below. It...

Resource Details - Birmingham Images The lamp shown on the left hand side of the above photo maybe the original Founders Lamp of Aston Villa Football Club. I desperately want to find out if it is, :), or if it isn't, :(. To do so I need: an accurate date for when the photo was taken; and, the...

Thank you. Will do so. I'm an idiot for not thinking of that myself. :) Just put a post up on the Trams threads. Anyone who wants to follow the tram thread for Villa Cross follow the link below Dates of the first tramways up to Villa Cross from Heathfield Road, Villa Road, Lozells Road and...

Thanks for that. The tramway routes make sense now. Cheers.:) Am still having trouble pinning down when tramways first went down Heathfield Road. They are not on the photo and if we knew when they appeared then it would help us date the photo. Any ideas?

Just checking. In the same way Lozells Lane became Lozells Road, was today's Hunters Road called Hunters Lane c1800-1900.

Keiron, pub historian, with your specialist knowledge, can you not help us out with dating of the pub shown? is it - Fox Co's. ENTIRE? Or is there another letter or mark hiding behind the climber? Any further help really, really would be appreciated.

:joy: It's my holy grail. Has to be done. :innocent: You could write a short television series based around the Villa Cross Inn at that time. Barmaid scandal was news country wide. The suicide at the bar using a revolver bought in Wheeler Street. The murder at the cab stand. Thomas Hale: the...

:joy: It's my holy grail. Has to be done. :innocent: You could write a short television series based around the Villa Cross Inn at that time. Barmaid scandal was news country wide. The suicide at the bar using a revolver bought in Wheeler Street. The murder at the cab stand. Thomas Hale: the...

Birmingham Daily Post | Wednesday 03 January 1894 As the assault took place 'on Sunday' John Ogden was the gaffer in 1893. VCI address here is on Lozells Road. Looking at the ENTIRE photo, yet again, the people are very blurred while the buildings are sharp, evidence that a long exposure time...

Birmingham Daily Post | Tuesday 04 December 1866 I've posted this because it lists the roads already lit, and the roads which are to be lit next year. At the time of publication only 126 lamps were lit regularly in the manor. Hunters Lane, caused a problem because Handsworth wouldn't light their...

Birmingham Daily Post | Saturday 21 September 1867 The above is a report by the chairman of the lighting inspectors for Aston. Note that by 21 September 1867, twenty nine of the principle streets in the borough were already lit (by223 lamps). (Would, the roads leading to Villa Cross would be...

Birmingham Daily Post | Saturday 09 January 1875 The above clip is interesting. On the ENTIRE photo we can see a patch of ground in front of the Villa Cross which seems to be paved. On this ground there is a sign post on the Heathfield Road side bearing the name of the inn. At the bottom of the...

That's a good call.

Birmingham & Aston Chronicle | Saturday 06 October 1883 The above clip shows that Villa Cross was an area which, although legally belonging to Handsworth Board, often had maintenance and improvement carried out by Aston Board; such decisions being made by arrangement between the two boards...

Birmingham Daily Post | Monday 24 November 1879 The cab stand was at Villa Cross by 27 10 1879. Photo could be earlier than thought?

All that is true but in the early years of league football (the Villa chairman kickstarted that) Villa were the most successful team of all and had the first superstar Archie Hunter. We were the World’s first super club. Even in the early 1930s when our golden era had long gone, and our captain...