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i presume you have seen the 1841 census in leyland lancs where elizabeth matthews aged 30yrs is living with henry holland and family

it was a wonderful service for your wife barrie, and you must be proud that marion was very much loved by a lot of people as well as yourself. take care, shera

i agree with you that the sarsons name is not common so i still think you may be right with the marriages. do you know if william stayed in bham afterwards? do you know some of the childrens names? i expect it is a hard family to research, but i did check the baptisms at st. martins for just...

the dates are correct. the extra info is that their abode was banbury street, and fathers occ. was cordwainer

im glad it helps. no there was no other info on the record. if there was a baptism at st. martins, that would give fathers occ and abode, but before 1837 there was nothing extra on the marriages.

hi richard, i can see what the problem is on the marriage record. it could be either L or S but when i compare it to other writing on the previous record i am almost certain it is S. the info on the record shows that william matthews was a widower and elizabeth was spinster. they were both...

how i wish i did anne but we didnt have a camera in those days. theres a few photos of clement street on this site though. www.oldladywood.co.uk

how amazing that it was back of 34 clement street. my dads family lived there. my mom and dad lived in witton by 1940`s but my mom went back to 34 clement st to have me (i presume to get help) and i visited the house many times while growing up. i remember the courtyard at the back with the...

i was born at 34 clement street in 1950. were your relatives around that number?

i think your best bet is to send for the marriage certificate that suemalings found in post 3 above. this would give sarahs fathers name and occupation and we may be able to trace her from that. all the best, shera

i can see sarah wilkins with her husband samuel (if i have the correct one) on the 1911, 1901 and 1891 censuses but she says she is born birmingham. cannot find her previous to her marriage in 1881 or 1871. did you need the census info i have found or are just just searching for her before her...

ive had a look but cant see a richard at st. martins. was your john blackhams parents benjamin and mary blackham. there are a few entries for these but cant see a richard.

in kellys 1932 directory - mrs annie hatton 26 grosvenor street west. draper in 1933 same address mrs annie hatton shopkeeper in 1936 same address mrs annie hatton shopkeeper

Re: Elizabeth Whitmore in 1841 they did not list counties of birth. just born in county (i.e. warwickshire) or not born in county. the elizabeth whitmore working as a servant aged 15 is listed as born in county. then in 1851 with husband john tonks, again she recorded as born birmingham...

Re: Elizabeth Whitmore in upper tower st. in 1841 there is a william whitmore 50 carpenter, wife mary whitmore 40 and son william whitmore , also a carpenter. again none of them born in county. sorry none of this really helps at the moment but when you get the marriage cert it may be of...

Re: Elizabeth Whitmore also in upper windsor st. in 1841 thomas whitmore 45 (carpenter), hannah whitmore 42, jane 16, louisa 12, ann 11, john 6, edward 3, charles 5weeks. all except edward and charles were not born in county though. as elizabeth whitmore was supposedly born bham...

Re: Elizabeth Whitmore i notice that the marriage of john tonks to elizabeth whitmore took place at aston juxta on 10 nov 1851 yet in the 1851 census they already have a child and say they are married. there is a elizabeth whitmore in 1841 living upper windsor street, aston aged 15yrs and...

So sorry Barrie, my heart goes out to you. i am glad she was beside you and she passed so peacefully. Shera

Re: William Edward Spearing - Aston darlene, i will send you an instant message, shera

heathy, i think you really need to get that marriage certificate as others have said. procat gave you the details you need in post 15 to order the certificate. this will give the fathers names and occupations so will be a great help in finding alfred and louisa in earlier censuses, otherwise...