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Re: Family tree research- Im stuck :( James don't apologise - the football is on and I am sitting with three footie fans - I was bored until you posted all this! Perhaps ladylinda could have another look at the original 1901 - and someone could also look for Elise Winifred/ Winnie living...

Re: Family tree research- Im stuck :( In 1911 Elsie would have been 15/16 - she may have been a servant/maid and living with her employers - this was very common especially in rural areas.

Re: Family tree research- Im stuck :( Perhaps she was listed as winnie on the 1901?

Re: Family tree research- Im stuck :( ...........and Just when we thought it was sorted....... lol............perhaps the 1901 census was not transcribed correctly and Willie was Elsie?

Re: Family tree research- Im stuck :( Well done bewdley - that was going to be my next suggestion as I know that Nellie/Nelly was often the pet name for girls named Ellen or Helen.

Re: Family tree research- Im stuck :( Well done ladylinda - that certainly looks like the Ellen Francis James is looking for!

Re: Family tree research- Im stuck :( Was the person staying in Bromyard with the name of Francis a female - possibly Ellen's mother sent away to have her baby? Was the person male? and if so was there an unmarried female in that household that would be the right age to have a baby? Do you know...

Re: Family tree research- Im stuck :( Hi James, Perhaps her birth was after the 1901 census was taken and she died before the next census?

Hi have found found the marriage 8th Dec 1776 Samuel GIBBINS of this parish, bachelor Clary Roper of this parish, spinster by banns. both signed with X mark. I think the witnesses were Jonathan??? Davies and Dorothy Perry? but difficult to read. Frances Ann daughter of Samuel and Clary GIBBONS...

Sorry Dave it doesn't - that's why I said it was only almost your lucky day. I am not sure if the record in the Library would show the fathers name or if it would only show the same details as I have. I think in the early years they may not have listed the fathers names. Do you know what year...

Hi, it's your lucky day (almost) I have access to a few St Bartholomew's records - 27 Aug 1832 Thomas Clarke and Jane Burton - witness - James Harris Do not know if the E on Clarke is correct but that is how it is typed on the page.

Dave, as far as I know the archives at Birmingham Library are unavailable until the new Library opens in September.

What was Hockley House?

In the Birmingham Daily Post Friday 9th September 1887 Charles Daniel applied for a license to sell wine on the premises of 102 Hockley Hill - his representative said that the Tramway terminus would be opposite Daniels house and presented a memorial (petition?) signed by 150 people in favour of...

Mike it seems you are right about being able to access it from Hunters Road - this is from the Birmingham Daily Post Saturday 21st August 1886 - Charles Daniel applying for a license to sell wine on the premises of the Tramway Restaurant, Hunters lane.

Great! Strangely I can't find any other mention of the Cable tramway inn in the papers - usually there are mentions in the licenses granted etc. but not for that one. I wonder if it wasn't called that for very long or if it closed down?

Lol - We posted at the same time Lyn - have a look at Mikes post on the other thread. When I first read the newspaper clipping I was unsure if it said trainway or tramway - need to put me glasses on.

I have just found this on the forum https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=30039&page=5 Mikes post #65

Could this be the Inn - Cable Tramway Inn, Hockley Hill - mentioned in the Birmingham Daily Post Saturday, May 31, 1890?

Alberta - all 5 of them are available to watch on iPlayer at the moment. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01rgqdx/WPC_56_Sink_or_Swim/