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I hadn’t noticed Robert and Hannah loodmer. Nor a William so thanks.

John Mays/May was born after Robert in 1865 to Sabina and Thomas. You sent me the newspaper article then Matilda born 1867

Thomas had other children with Eliza Morton below. Sabina and Thomas also had John May/mays 1865 I think if Robert is 1863. John was the son where there was an inquest into his death. Don’t think Thomas and Eliza Morton married but children from 1875. So 8 yrs gap from Matilda. Ann kilmartin...

Just saw this on Robert's burial record....just like above in the trade directory an eliza mayes at Slaney Street. on Robert's burial record Eliza Mayes....why Eliza and not sabina?

I think you may be right as it would explain why some of them are under that name

I know a ton of irish records are lost and I did look for Sabina under the irish collection but nothing so far. Its literally as if she doesnt exist

Snell or smell lol thanks for looking....Ive just found something else and completely confused now.....in 1861 Sabina had Eliza and were living at 79 Slaney street.....Ive just stumbled across this, same address, Uk Cities and county directories...printed I think in 1862.. It says Mrs Eliza...

Eliza Bassingthwaighte B:1825 Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Name William Long Registration Year 1860[1860] Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun Registration district Birmingham Inferred County Warwickshire Volume 6d Page 271 Records on Page (Name) Ann Bessingwait so perhaps...

ah so true...I just assumed but you are right as sometimes even deceased fathers are entered onto the certificate. her dad was put down as James Snell, bricklayer but alive or dead or present or not, no idea.

Also I looked up the age of what was considered a minor re marriage around sabina's time. A minor was under 21 but..... The age of marriage under civil law was 14 for boys and 12 for girls (the age of puberty); however this was inconsistent with criminal law which set the age of consent at 16...

Ann and william long are also down as witnesses to the marriage ofMatilda, James Mayes daughter to Thomas Collins. I wonder if he is related to Sarah Collins who I saw on one of the census's as a servant...cant remember on which or whose census tho....but linked with robert, thomas or william...

James Snell her dad was present at her wedding to Thomas.

ah no I didnt, thank you for that.

I think Ann had that as a maiden name, sister perhaps of Eliza Besenwaite who married James Preston Mayes who I think is James Mayes, thomas's brother as their mum was Margaret Preston. Ann also married William Long. This is the marriage entry for Eliza who I think may be Ann's sister...

Yes I would say with Killmartin definitely. I havent looked for Matilda's godparents in too much depth yet. William Long is listed as a witness to Sabina and Thomas's marriage. I was also wondering if the godparent on Eliza's record is the latin name of Edward? Very hard to read it.

Ah seems the posts have gone for now....but just prior to the site going down I was looking into the godparents of matilda mayes and Eliza...heres my notes on it....there is a link with william long and Ann Killmartin who we touched on last time the sight was up. 1871 Census...

Hi Lyn, hoping you may still be around on here. We spoke some time ago about the possibility of you visiting Birmingham Archives for me re Matilda Mayes/Masey and the Industrial School records they held for her. Would this still be a possibility?

Yes, but thank you. Thats why I was getting so confused because her date of birth on the 1939 census was two years earlier to her birth reg.

I agree with the thing about dates of birth etc. I have found a number of discrepancies in the records, with individuals ages ranging by quite a number of years

I agree far more info came up for James and Hannah but going on the records eg Her dad being John on her marriage bans and having a brother John who is then found in 1901 with Dad John, I think perhaps those who have gone down the James Cumming route have perhaps got their trees wrong. I made...