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digbeth map request
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Lyn
Here's your map , with 115 (Beehive Tavern),57 (Old Guy Pub) and 50 (fried fish shop in 1900). Apparently around 1900 the Old Guy was known for its freak shows, with dwarfs, siamese twins, fat ladies and bearded ladies (or, as McKenna claims- like Broad St today on a saturday night).
Here's your map , with 115 (Beehive Tavern),57 (Old Guy Pub) and 50 (fried fish shop in 1900). Apparently around 1900 the Old Guy was known for its freak shows, with dwarfs, siamese twins, fat ladies and bearded ladies (or, as McKenna claims- like Broad St today on a saturday night).
thanks for this map mike...the beehive goes a long way to working out some of my family history and how things came about going back to dads mom being taken in by strangers at 8 months old after her parents died within a day of each other.. when dads mom went on to marry in 1928 she gave her address as 50 digbeth and grandad gave his address as 57 digbeth which thanks to you i now find out was the old guy pub....i would imagine pics of these pubs will be hard to find but i will do a search for them....thanks again mike...brilliant...
lyn
lyn
hi mike...ive found another pub with family connections...i wonder if you could go back to the digbeth map please and mark out no 102 which is meant to have been the clements vaults...demolished in 1907 to make way for digbeth police station...
many thanks mike..
many thanks mike..
mike im just reading some of the info you gave me ages back which was......albert henry downes (my gt grandfather) was landlord at the clements vaults at no 102 digbeth...he had left the pub by 1904..pub was demolished to make way for digbeth police station in 1907..
so according to that info 102 was the clements vaults but 102 down on the map as being next to a pub called the board pub.......not to worrry mike..... later on i will have a look at the kellys...
thanks mike...
lyn
so according to that info 102 was the clements vaults but 102 down on the map as being next to a pub called the board pub.......not to worrry mike..... later on i will have a look at the kellys...
thanks mike...
lyn
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Lyn
Sometimes there are two pubs next door to each other. I don't think you will find the board listed in Kellys as that. according to McKenna (who is sometimes a bit fallable and doesn't list the number of the Board), the Board is first referred to in 1588, its sign was just a plaiin deal board, and it was a billeting house before the barracks was built.For much of the 19th century it was used as a wine & spirits store. It was closed (no date) and converted to other uses. Clements vaults were definitely 102 (from kellys)./In 1872 Kellys, no 102,103 104 were owned by William Clements, distiller etc. I reckon these three were the one in yellow, the one marked "Board" and theone to the left of that. the Castle & Falcon on the other side of the corner were 109
Mike
Sometimes there are two pubs next door to each other. I don't think you will find the board listed in Kellys as that. according to McKenna (who is sometimes a bit fallable and doesn't list the number of the Board), the Board is first referred to in 1588, its sign was just a plaiin deal board, and it was a billeting house before the barracks was built.For much of the 19th century it was used as a wine & spirits store. It was closed (no date) and converted to other uses. Clements vaults were definitely 102 (from kellys)./In 1872 Kellys, no 102,103 104 were owned by William Clements, distiller etc. I reckon these three were the one in yellow, the one marked "Board" and theone to the left of that. the Castle & Falcon on the other side of the corner were 109
Mike
Lyn
I should have added that i was influenced by Mckenna, who lists Clements vaults as if it was separate from the Board (2 pages away), and states that it opened in 1893 with Edward hope as its first landlord, and closed in 1907. I have just checked the 1892 Kellys, which I didn't look at before, and found that in that year no 102 is listed as Board Vaults. so my earlier map is wrong, and the Board and Clements Vaults are the same building. I will delete the map , with a note and refer to correct map below, where Clements Vaults are in yellow
I should have added that i was influenced by Mckenna, who lists Clements vaults as if it was separate from the Board (2 pages away), and states that it opened in 1893 with Edward hope as its first landlord, and closed in 1907. I have just checked the 1892 Kellys, which I didn't look at before, and found that in that year no 102 is listed as Board Vaults. so my earlier map is wrong, and the Board and Clements Vaults are the same building. I will delete the map , with a note and refer to correct map below, where Clements Vaults are in yellow
