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Mark Tooze said:
But if you hunt around remnants of the past can still be found - wooden sleepers on the bay platform buffer stop:-
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Remnants of the old trackwork still remain:-
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Broken wooden sleeper on the bay platform line:-
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Platform 2 & 3 buildings are wonderfully preserved:-
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Metal plates on concrete platform footbridge:-
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And on the roadbridge:-
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Those wooden sleepers were most likely close to 150 years old!
 
Ornette said:
Thanks Lady P. Emmanuel College and Vesey School seems right.

This is from Sarah Holbeche’s diary, March 1855:

‘Carpenter Holbeche left opposite house and it became "The White Hart" (disgusting). Mr Cull became our next door neighbour.’

(https://sclhrg.org.uk/sarah-holbech...ge-45.html?highlight=WyJ3aGl0ZSIsImhhcnQiXQ==)

Carpenter Holbeche is not otherwise mentioned in her diary but it is reasonable to assume that he was a relative.

Kerry Osborne, in People and Buildings of Sutton Coldfield, vol. 3, p10 tells us that Sarah Holbeche lived on the east side of the High Street in a house that was demolished in 1878 to make way for the railway.

My suggestion would be that the 'opposite house' - which fits the location of the Hart Inn - was renamed the White Hart in 1855. Not sure why SH should find this disgusting. Perhaps just annoyed at the change of name. Her diary does not reveal any antipathy to drink or pubs.
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The Diary of Sarah Holbeche does indeed provide a useful tool for research into the history of Sutton Coldfield. Just taking the year 1855 in which she mentions the White Hart.

There is a record of Hill Church under repair, and there were horse races in Sutton Park in March.

In August there was an inquiry led by Major Warburton into a petition by certain inhabitants, including a Thomas Hayward, for a charter of incorporation. She dosen't seen to like Thomas Hayward !

She records that in August Gertrude and Arthur were born. They were twins born to the wife of Vincent Holbeche.

(The Three Tuns is available for lease. Old-fashioned house with or without eight- quarter Malt house and 6.25 acres of land.)

[added later…On the 1861 census in High, Street Sutton Coldfield the Mr Cull, next door neighbour, was John H Cull boarding school master. Living with assistants, servants and at least 14 pupils.
The Holbeche house has Catherine as head with sisters Helen and Frances and 2 servants.]
 
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This talk, at p42 contains a poor quality map from 1866 showing the route of the new line and Sarah Holbeche's house. Unfortunately the Hart/White Hart is not visible.

sclhrg.org.uk

Sarah Holbeche, Talk by Janet Jordan

Sutton Coldfield has an interesting history well documented by a collection of primary sources housed in Sutton Coldfield Library.
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The talk pre-amble mentions "Helen Holbeche, who was one of the of his (Richard Holbeche) six spinster aunts."

Six spinsters are listed as shareholders in the Birmingham Banking Company in 1854.
Frances, Jane, Helen, Sarah, Elizabeth and Catherine.
 
The Diary of Sarah Holbeche (1802-1869)

12 August 1866

“Lloyd's brothers made their appearance as occupants of Moor Hall and the pew, "specimen of Black Country gentry" Oh! for shades of The Hacketts!!!”

(She doesn’t seem to have much time for Brummies or those from the Black Country, but remembers Mr Frances Hacket with affection)
 
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Pedrocut said:
Old Stocks and Whipping Post Sutton Coldfield May 1896.
creator: Sir John Benjamin Stone.
(Birmingham Archives and Collections)

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Agree photo outside Holy Trinity Church
From the caption "Round the Town" I suspect that these (on wheels) were not in any one place but the miscreant was put in the stocks and paraded round the town for all to see.
Maybe kept at the Court or Police station?

Just done a bit more research and the suggestion is:

Sutton Coldfield is known for its historical "stocks," public restraints used for punishment. These stocks, once located near the Kings Arms and later the Baptist Chapel, were later used as gate stoops at Bow Hill before being moved to the park following a request in 1921. The stocks are a relic of Elizabethan times when they were used to publicly humiliate offenders for misdemeanors
The Sutton Coldfield stocks are noted for having wheels, which would have allowed for the offender to be paraded through the streets while clamped in the stocks.
 
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Ornette, I emailed Kerry Osbourne who agreed with EC being Emmanuel College. All properties on the west side of Mill Street belong to the college. VSL, the land adjoining Trinity Church belonged to the grammar school.

AH must mean Andrew Hacket as the land marked AH coincides with John Snape's 1765 survey of Mr Hacket's land.

He is less sure of LH but it might be Lisle Hacket, of Moxhull Hall. He was the elder brother of Andrew Hacket senior.

Thanks to Kerry Osbourne of Sutton Coldfield Local History Research Group.
 
The stocks in Sutton Coldfield were outside what is now McDonald's which earlier had been the Baptist Church. Not sure what it was before though.
 
A mention of the old stocks…..there is also a rubbish picture of the one being wheeled round the town,
(Dec 1994, Sutton Coldfield Observer.)

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