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Moor End Green House

Lady Penelope

Lady Penelope

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Does anyone know anything about this property please? The census shows the Whitehouse family living variously at this property and just Moor End Green/Lane. They were there from mid-1800's to at least the early 1900's. Occupations mainly 'farmer'. They greatly contributed to the interior of St Barnabas' church, Erdington and there were various commemorative plaques and items of woodwork there before the fire. Not sure if they survived though.
There may be another thread with information on but I haven't had any luck searching for it.
 
Thanks Pedro. This is to do with the land around the Greyhound which was owned by 'Mrs Whitehouse'. This has seemed like the most likely family so far so will pursue it.
 
1891 probate records for Elizabeth Whitehouse
 

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Louisa died in 1919 but her address is not Moor End Green House
 

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The 1912 electoral roll lists Jane Diana Ann Whitehouse at Poplar cottage (one of those not common examples of a propertied woman having the vote then, even if it was only for local elections). From 1897 (the first year Moor End lane was listed in Birmingham Kellys) Kellys lists the occupant of Poplar cottage just as Miss Whitehouse
 
MARCH 1859 for interest....

St. Barnabas, Erdington taken out of Aston.
St. Michael, Boldmere taken out of Sutton.

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Thank you both.
Janice, I do feel that this family is worth pursuing as Mrs Whitehouse was a widow for over 20 years which includes the period of time I'm interested in.
Mike, in the Birmingham rates books there is a 'Miss Whitehouse' in the owners column of a property in Marsh Lane, Erdington in 1901 but. She isn't the occupant.
Interestingly (to me anyway) Elizabeth Whitehouse commemorated her parents and her son and his wife, at St Barnabas, but not her husband.​
 
Pedro, I was reading recently that you could be baptised and buried at St Barnabas from about 1824 when it was built but not married there until 1858 as it was still a chapel of ease. People still had to make their way to Aston Parish church for the ceremony.
 
I wonder if Moor End Green House was sold after John Daniel died in 1910 or if it went to someone else in the family.
 
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Three entries in Kelly's for 1900, 1908 and 1913.

1900 JD. Whitehouse, farmer
Miss Whitehouse, Poplar cottage
William Whitehorse, farmer.

1908 JD Whitehouse, farmer
Miss Whitehouse, Poplar Cottage

1913 just Miss Whitehouse, Poplar Cottage
 
It always amazes me how many names you come to recognise after a while. HH Rose is Hyla Holden Rose who was curate-in-charge of St Barnabas church until he was made Vicar in 1858. Strangely he lived in Edgbaston and came over for the weekend! Mr Machin was a landowner and had a road named after him, J B Whitehouse is the son of Elizabeth, landowner and gent. (I believe he died the following December) and Wm Fowler wrote the History of Erdington: an address to the Historical Society in the 1880's. I suppose they were on the Parish Council.

Janice, John Daniel had at least one brother, William. Haven't found out what happened to him yet. John Daniel's son John Bullivant Jnr went to live with his aunt, John D's sister, Jane Diane Ann, mentioned in one of the posts together with his sister Louisa Diane Mary. I think they had been orphaned by now and they are all at Poplar Cottage in 1911. John B is definitely in Erdington until 1935 as he is a churchwarden. He then pops up in the West Cotswolds in 1974 where I presume he died.

I would think that the farm was probably sold after Elizabeth's death. There's also a Moat House and Ash Tree Cottage on the census where some of the family live.
 
“John Daniel had at least one brother, William.”

Would that be the William mentioned above in the 1900 Kelly, further up the road?
 
Pedro, very interesting - our posts crossed so (1900) this could be the William Whitehouse, brother of John D. Not mentioned in 1908. Ash Tree Cottage is however. Also Wm Nock - wonder if he's the Nock of the brickworks fame in Holly Lane?
Only one Miss Whitehouse left in 1913. Wonder if St Ethelreda's Mission Church is now the URC?
 
So this information has given me a couple of things at least to go on. I have two possible 'Mrs Whitehouses', Elizabeth and Jane and lots of the men to look up. I shall now have to brave Birmingham Archives again to look in the indexes and again if there is anything of interest.
Just a note but it appears that Lichfield Record Office is no more, I spent many a happy hour there - we have to go to Stafford now to look for wills.
 
Pen - no idea where the URC is but St Ethelreda's is on the C1937 map.
 

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An excerpt from the Rates Book for 1906. I was looking for this when your last two posts came through so will now look at those!
 

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Janice, I was wrong (again?) St Ethelreda's was on Moor End Lane itself not far from Moat House - must have been built after Pedro's map above. It would have been opposite Moor End Lane school. The URC is on the corner of Holly Lane & Orphanage Road.

Moat House looks impressive and was still there in at least the late 1920's. Will now try to work our where Moor End Green House was.
 
December 1915 the Lichfield Mercury carried a story of an attempted murder and a suicide at 9 Whitehouse cottages, Moor End Lane.

"A block of four cottages standing by themselves in a meadow, at the rear of Erdington Church, and adjoining Moor End Lane."

So it looks like Whitehouse may also have been a property owner and a landlord?
 
In the 1861 Census John Whitehouse is with wife Elisabeth at 58 Moor End Lane with a Ann, mother, widow 80 years old former farmer’s wife.

JW is down as builder.
 
pen not sure if this is of any use but i was flicking through some photos and i rememberd this thread....caption reads...old barn nr moors house moor end lane erdington...think i can make out a house with gate to the right of the barn so was this moors end house?



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Thanks Lyn, that definitely looks promising. I'll follow it up.
Viv, I followed your link and responded on the Erdington thread, thanks.
 
The census shows schedule numbers and not house numbers but it may be able to get an idea of the locations. They seem to start by the vicarage and end at Holly Lane.

In the census 1861 JW is shown at schedule 58 Moor End Lane, and a Builder.

At 64 (and close to Holly Lane) there is JD or JB Whitehouse (35) and his wife Jane, daughters Luisa (12) and Jane (11), Sons Jonn (10) and William (8)

In 1851 JW is at 118 Moor End Green, a builder employing 4 men, with wife Elizabeth and Daniel his father, a retired farmer. Also with his mother.

In 1841 at Moor End Green there is Daniel (65), farmer with wife Anne (68), JW is Builder (35) and Elizabeth (35) and son John (15).

Going on to 1871 JW had died and we have Jane Whitehouse, Widow (46) at 78 Moor End Lane with daughter Luisa E (?) at age 23, Anne daughter (22), son JD (20), William son (18) and a servant.

75 = Poplar Cottage and occupied by an Augustus Barnett (?)

At N°70 there is Elizabeth Whitehouse (66) and a widow, and marked as farmer.

No 60 is the Vicarage with HYLA ROSE

(The numbering here of the schedule seems to be a continuation of Bell Lane start 59, end at 82, the next being Holly Lane)

Note that the first mention of Poplar Cottage is 1871, and there is no mention of Moor End Green House. The House may have been an unofficial name by the Whitehouse family? After the death of JW in 1868 the House is advertised to Let, and the name seems to go missing.

Was Poplar Cottage built by the builder Whitehouse and eventually used for the family’s?
 
That's a lot to take in Pedro, thank you. The auction details are dated 7th June 1871 and refer to the map below and only state 'Lands of Mrs Whitehouse' so this could either apply to Elizabeth nee Bullivant or Jane nee Reeve. Both were alive at this time. I've noticed that sometimes the names remain after the land has been sold on but at least I have several names to chase up now. In the past I've found quite a few snippets of information in Birmingham Archives but it means searching manually through their folders.
 

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